Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:53 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

Lose tonight and we are 4 point so 6th (which at the start of the season I would have said was the absolute minimum that could be acceptable). We’re 2 points of 10th if we lose. We haven’t won a CC game for 3 years, is that good enough? If not what will change?

Expectations lowering every year in a league that gets weaker every year. We're going backwards, add another 5 more years to the transition it'll be alright.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:53 pm  

Didn't help that the ref gave them absolutely everything in the second half, embarrassingly poor officiating

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:53 pm  

Too many of the pivotal or high paid paid players just haven’t performed tonight. And it’s not fair to just level it at the likes of Sezer. Oldezki really should have been putting his mark on this game, he didn’t. Cam Smith stifled so much of the ball tonight it wasn’t even funny.

There were some positives, Macdonald continues to prove value, same with McDonnell. I thought Johnson added off the bench. But the bottom line at the minute is we aren’t performing like a team that belongs in the playoffs often enough.

Having said all that, the ruck was atrocious tonight and despite some good skill and a tight affair, I’d hate to have tried to watch that as a neutral or someone new to the game.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:54 pm  

Got what we deserved. Again.

Happening too often.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:54 pm  

Scrappy game, neither team played well, not one to usually mention the ref but he had a shocker.

Games truly gone soft if that Holdroyd tackle on Bell is a high shot

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:55 pm  

Watched second half. That was painful enough.

Once again we were totally lacking energy and guidance. Why do we have wingers? We hardly use them. It's middle middle middle.

What pump ref again from Thaler. Blokes a douche

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:55 pm  

The ref didn't manage the ruck well and saints got some calls, but if id score him a 6/10 I'm giving leeds a generous 4.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:56 pm  

It is beyond me that we are so bad yet the recruitment for next year is non existent apart from another French plodder/journeyman .

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:56 pm  

Utter rubbish yet again

If you need your attack slowed down, Cam Smiths your man, heaven forbid playing with a bit of pace when you can trudge it up the middle at the pace of a snail every set.

Re: RD 20 | St Helens (A) : Fri Jul 28, 2023 8:56 pm  

The ruck in SL is awful

Jack Welsby the difference tonight, without Newman we just haven’t got that X Factor

Both the Macs were superb

Austins not doing his contract negotiations any good, that kick out on the full was atrocious play