Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:29 pm  

McD and Baldwinson don't get along
That's why he is not getting picked!!!!

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:45 pm  

Jinkymcfisher wrote:

McD and Baldwinson don't get along
That's why he is not getting picked!!!!

And the evidence of them not getting on is????

Baldwinson is in the full time squad and is playing regularly in the championship at Fev. For such a young prop I would say McD and the club have put him in a very fortunate position.

Baldwinson is a promising prospect but is he physically and mentally ready to face the likes of Chris Hill, Alex Walmsley, Grant Millington, Liam Watts, Ben Flower, Eorl Crabtree, David Taylor etc on a weekly basis? Hes still a pup and is 2 years of being ready for the demands of SL in my opinion. Prop is a tough position to play for anyone never mind a young lad like Baldwinson.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 10:53 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

I have a lot of time for Lancaster (we tried to get him as a player coach 18 years back) but he played an important role in reviving England's fortunes and bringing on younger players and the current squad are effectively Lancaster's choices. Quite why the players under performed so badly in the World Cup is still not clear but another example of players failing their coach. That said I was never in favour of Lancaster's pre determined substitution policy which played a part in the key defeat by Wales. But as a RU expert you will know that.

We? I neither know nor care why England RU failed to emerge from the group stage of their home World Cup but Eddie Jones (whoever he is) seemed to suggest it having something to do with employing a rookie coach - that would be Lancaster and he was your choice. Still sticking with that call even though by your terms of references 'you were wrong'?

Too true. Nothing complicated about it at all - we have had half our squad (the better half) sitting in the stand injured each week. QED

No we haven't, only Ward has been absent throughout. Whichever players you have in your better half have all played at various points of the season and at no point yet have Leeds won away from Headingley (only won three there also) or won consecutive games irrespective of players available. At one point it was said (not by you that I recall) that with McGuire, Hardaker and Cuthbertson Leeds win the game easily - yet they returned and the results got even worse.

I see you are trying to spin this theory that Mac was one of three coaches. I do not remember you blaming and calling for the head of these so called co-coaches (Sinfield & JP) in the years since 2011. Can you send me the link for your "taxi for Sinfield and JP" coaching comments

The comparison I made was quite clearly between league placing 2015 with McDermott, Sinfield and Peacock and league placing 2016 with McDermott without the influence of Sinfield and Peacock.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:06 pm  

Posters argue that this period could be permanently damaging to the young players......then complain when another young player isn't picked.

Complain when players are asked to play other positions (Achurch to prop for example) then complain when Baldwinson isn't picked for 2nd row.

Classic SouthStander

Maybe with a number of young inexperienced players already in the 17, McDermott didn't fancy throwing another one in there if his other props were fit which by an large they have been. Not every young player will get their chances as quickly as others. If we'd had a number of props injured but our back line stayed fit or first choice HB's then it could be Handley, Golding or Lilley sitting on watching Baldwinson getting weekly games whilst they feature for Featherstone. Handley's been fortunate that Briscoe has had an injury hit 18 months.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:09 pm  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

And the evidence of them not getting on is????

Baldwinson is in the full time squad and is playing regularly in the championship at Fev. For such a young prop I would say McD and the club have put him in a very fortunate position.

Baldwinson is a promising prospect but is he physically and mentally ready to face the likes of Chris Hill, Alex Walmsley, Grant Millington, Liam Watts, Ben Flower, Eorl Crabtree, David Tayloretc on a weekly basis? Hes still a pup and is 2 years of being ready for the demands of SL in my opinion. Prop is a tough position to play for anyone never mind a young lad like Baldwinson.

Jamie Acton..

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:25 pm  

atomic wrote:

Jamie Acton..

Are you saying Jamie Acton is at the same level as Dave Taylor, Alex Walmsley and Chris Hill???

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:51 pm  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Are you saying Jamie Acton is at the same level as Dave Taylor, Alex Walmsley and Chris Hill???

And Grant Millington

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:28 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Posters argue that this period could be permanently damaging to the young players......then complain when another young player isn't picked.

Complain when players are asked to play other positions (Achurch to prop for example) then complain when Baldwinson isn't picked for 2nd row.

Classic SouthStander

Maybe with a number of young inexperienced players already in the 17, McDermott didn't fancy throwing another one in there if his other props were fit which by an large they have been. Not every young player will get their chances as quickly as others. If we'd had a number of props injured but our back line stayed fit or first choice HB's then it could be Handley, Golding or Lilley sitting on watching Baldwinson getting weekly games whilst they feature for Featherstone. Handley's been fortunate that Briscoe has had an injury hit 18 months.

The point I was trying to make is that whilst the likes of Singleton and Mullally are fit their performance levels have been abysmal. So why not try an alternative, its not as if the current selection policy is yielding wins.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:32 am  

Towns88 wrote:

And Grant Millington

Singleton and Mullally are nowhere near that level - how is Baldwinson supposed to get to that level if he never gets an opportunity to mix it with these guys?

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 4:46 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

The point i was making Sal was a lot of young players are drip fed quite rightly into the squad. I used Sinfield as an example as he is our most successful academy product. I had hoped you wouldnt take it as literally as you clearly have.

It was said McD has been spiteful to Baldwinson which there is no evidence of. He just doesnt deem him ready for Leeds at this stage of young career. As we all know prop is a very different position for a youngster than a winger for example.

Prop in fact is one position we havent had many injuries at. Whether you or I think Baldwinson is ready its McD's decision to make based on what he sees every day at training. If he chooses not to pick him thats not being spiteful in any way and its a ridiculous term to use.

Was he being spiteful when he dropped Singo earlier in the year? Or was he making a decision that he thought was best for the team at that time?

Im not a McD fan or hater i just objected to the term spiteful being used as it implies McD is deliberately making harmful decisions which i dont believe anyone at the club is doing. I firmly believe the people running the team and club are doing everything to turn this around.

He is the one player in the squad who hasn't been given chance of a run in the side. He has been in the squad for 2 years since his return from NZ during which he has shown some ability against fully developed players. He has played one game, show me an example of any other player in the squad who has been treated in this way.

Given where Leeds are I would want to be exploring every option to improve matters - what has McDermott got to lose as I said before its not as if his current methods are yielding wins.

You don't have any evidence to suggest this is anything but a spiteful McDermott issue - common sense suggests there is more to it than he is not ready.