Just imagine Saints WITH Gidley - no Grand final wins. Just ghow essential is a centre again?

If quality centres are so hard to find then why are we having this discussion? Oh, and luckily Ablett and Watkins won't have to face Lyon and matain again.

And if Lyon comes back to SL maybe we could get a solid 2nd rower like, say, Chris Mckenna to do a job on him in a playoff game.

If you think Alex Ferguson plays young English players to ensure future success for England then you're having a laugh.

GF Harry Sunderland Trophy winners to 2004.

2008. Lee Smith. Full back.
2007. Rob Burrow. Scrum Half.
2006. Wellens(?) Full back- help TVOC [size=59or shut up if it doesn't help my point[/size.
2005. Pryce. Winger moved to stand off during game.
2004. Diskin. Hooker.

1, 6, 7, 9 & 13 people.

Where's the 13?

I don't disagree with the principle, but Aussies have not proved easy to get over here of late, and even there, the kind of really world class import we're always saying we need to insist on to avoid diluting standards is quite rare and would want a huge amount of money to tempt them here.

Otherwise we'd be relying on prising someone like Shenton away from a rival club, who would no doubt not be keen on weakening themselves to strengthen us and hence we would no doubt end up playing a grossly over-inflated price for the player who came in. There are very few players of anything like Gleeson's quality around, and the Wire approach of chucking huge amounts of money at them to get them in has little track record in terms of providing success.

I'm always in favour of the right player at the right price, I'm just unconvinced that those 2 factors coincide very often, especially at cnetre.

Lance Todd trophy winner 2005.

Man of the Match WCC 2008.

Like you said, he's only vital to us

Last man up the steps to pick up the trophy on three of those occasions.



To answer the question of our Wigan visitors about Ratu - went on loan to Fax but apparently had problems adjusting to the prevailing "culture" at the club. Be interesting to see how he goes back in a more professional environment. although Watkins and Gibson seem to be ahead of him in the pecking order.

Keith Senior has also been a consistent during this period. What happened following his last major injury in 2005 - we lost the CC, failed in the play-offs and were dire the year after as a team. Coincidental with Senior's worst patch of form with Leeds since joining the club? I too can be selective with the facts

Just where do you think this discussion will go if you're going to be self serving and selective with the facts?

Not in my direction and that is just not on.

10th October 2003
Headingley
17,264
Steve Ganson (St Helens)
22 - 23
14 - 10

Leeds:
Danny McGuire
Richard Mathers, Gary Connolly, Keith Senior, Francis Cummins
Andrew Dunemann, Rob Burrow
Matt Adamson, Matt Diskin, Barrie McDermott
David Furner, Chris McKenna, Kevin Sinfield


Who won MOM in 2003?

?

Are you asking who was MOM in that game from Headingley you've posted? Was it a final of some sort?

I note, btw, that our right cenrte in that game was an ageing about to retire player who was actually signed to play full back. Top line centres are really essential aren't they?

That ageing full back filling in at centre won MOM in the 2003 CC Final playing his natural, important role at full back.

Carney?