: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:53 pm  

lurchio wrote:

In the NRL your shoulder is classed as part of your arm, so a shoulder in the face is head high

Agreed but in this instance it was ruled Bailey didnt attempt to make contact with the head. The ball carrier was at fault and dipped into the tackle.

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:12 pm  

The way I look at it that there will be similar tackles throughout the season against Leeds players that will rile the South Standers. It's not a criticism just the one eyed nature of rugby league supporters in general.

As for Bailey tackle I want more of the same. I was actually dissapointed McClenan pulled Bailey shortly afterwards - it was heading for fire works.

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:22 pm  

Phil-P wrote:

The way I look at it that there will be similar tackles throughout the season against Leeds players that will rile the South Standers. It's not a criticism just the one eyed nature of rugby league supporters in general.

As for Bailey tackle I want more of the same. I was actually dissapointed McClenan pulled Bailey shortly afterwards - it was heading for fire works.

I'm not that disappointed. For me, he had done his job. Saints lost the plot for a few minutes, we brought on players with a bigger acctacking impact to capitalise

citing : Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:14 pm  

Surely he should have been cited for butting Bailey's shoulder - end of !!!

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:31 pm  

It can all be traced back to a soggy night in Salford last October.

Since around 08:00pm that night there has been incessant bleating from the Scousers. It seems this time all the 'Hey, Hey, Hey, Heying' has been targetted unfairly at Ryan Bailey.

I'm sure he'll lose lots of sleep over it!

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:37 pm  

Phil-P wrote:

The way I look at it that there will be similar tackles throughout the season against Leeds players that will rile the South Standers. It's not a criticism just the one eyed nature of rugby league supporters in general.

As for Bailey tackle I want more of the same. I was actually dissapointed McClenan pulled Bailey shortly afterwards - it was heading for fire works.

Bailey himself took one only a few weeks ago by Briscoe at HKR, I can't remember anyone on here bleating about it.

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:43 pm  

lurchio wrote:

i think some people were just shocked at the impact, we dont see to many over here. its not illegal but i do think it should be made illegal (shoulder contact to the face) however much i enjoy seeing it.

bailey is back playing his best, and its good to see as he seems to be concentrating more on his game than the 'other stuff'. england call up if he keeps it up? i wonder...

I'd love to see him play against Willy Mason again, there's some major fireworks for you!

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:03 pm  

Tony Soprano wrote:

Bailey himself took one only a few weeks ago by Briscoe at HKR, I can't remember anyone on here bleating about it.

Briscoe was a lot lower there was no reason for any interpretation of the rules

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:12 pm  

DoubleAone wrote:

Agreed but in this instance it was ruled Bailey didnt attempt to make contact with the head. The ball carrier was at fault and dipped into the tackle.

if it was in the NRL it would be borderline. agreed his head was coming down, but if the tackle is deemed to be a shoulder charge it is the players responsibility where his shoulder lands, regardless of whether the player is ducking or falling. all would depend on whether it was deemed to be a shoulder charge (not raising the arm of failing to bend the arm at the elbow is usually how this is judged to be the case). the rule was changed in interests of safety and shoulder charges have been banned in youth rugby in oz,which i think they should be here. kids dont learn anything from it, its usually just someone showboating.

i was involved in a game last year where our player made shoulder charge tackle which hit the attackers chest, both their head went forwards and both were knocked clean out and split their faces open around their eyes. we dont want to see that at any level. even if it does later make funny viewing on film...

: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:07 pm  

some people do get carried away. He had one of his better games and stood out in our pack.

Danny Ward has a GF ring and was picked by a top coach. You're not automatically a top player if you play in a winning team.

Bailey is a good squad player who has things he could work on, penalities and go forward being one but his aggression in defence, fitness, quick play of the ball for his reported salary make him a good bit of business.

Nothing wrong with the hit btw.