: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:57 am  

Andy Gilder wrote:

He made less tackles than any of the other forwards in the 17 with the exception of young Manning. Yes, he completed all the ones he attempted, but hardly cause to proclaim him as one of the hardest workers on the night.

Incorrect on many levels.

He made as many tackles as Kylie without missing any.

Where have I proclaimed Ali as one of the hardest workers???

A career in journalsim could be on the cards with that kind of reading into what someone quips!

I hope your column will be as enlightening as Schoies in Star, those sort of heights aren't un-reachable you know.

On on a side, Ali made no miss tackles, took the ball up plenty and made good metres. Would you be foolish enough to state that he didn't work hard on Friday???

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:58 am  

Old Feller wrote:

I found it surprising that we had to do nearly 15% more tackles than KR.
Possibly the pressure we had to deal with in the 1st half.
One stat I would be interested in is the no. of sets of six with the completion rate but that is never available.
Good to see so many players with 100% completion rates.

That surprised me as well. I could only put it down to more players involved in the tackle given that the carries by each team were comparable and Leeds conceded fewer penalties and errors.

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:07 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

On on a side, Ali made no miss tackles, took the ball up plenty and made good metres. Would you be foolish enough to state that he didn't work hard on Friday???

Your comment was that his tackling stats were surprising given his reputation for being lazy.

In isolation (which is how you brought them into the debate), they're not surprising at all - he attempted the least number of tackles of any forward bar a kid making his debut who had limited game time.

If you want to bring his general overall work rate into the equation by including his efforts with ball in hand that's fine, but it doesn't alter the facts as they relate to his defensive efforts.

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:10 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Your comment was that his tackling stats were surprising given his reputation for being lazy.

In isolation (which is how you brought them into the debate), they're not surprising at all - he attempted the least number of tackles of any forward bar a kid making his debut who had limited game time.

If you want to bring his general overall work rate into the equation by including his efforts with ball in hand that's fine, but it doesn't alter the facts as they relate to his defensive efforts.

Both barrells for Kylie then?

Work shy lump.

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:13 pm  

thebloodbath wrote:

Both barrells for Kylie then?

Work shy lump.

33% more carries and two more attempted tackles than Lauitiiti would suggest otherwise, based on this game alone.

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:14 pm  

If a player holds his position in the defensive line then he cannot decide how many tackles he makes, all he can do is tackle anyone who runs into his space (tackle from marker exempt).

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:18 pm  

Tony Soprano wrote:

If a player holds his position in the defensive line then he cannot decide how many tackles he makes, all he can do is tackle anyone who runs into his space (tackle from marker exempt).

Or boost his tackle count by being second/third man in when the tackle is pretty much complete (see your avatar)?

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:19 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

33% more carries and two more attempted tackles than Lauitiiti would suggest otherwise, based on this game alone.

Sometimes sunshine quality is better than quantity.

Look at what Ali did with less carries!

Plenty more metres and got past the advantage line on average.

So should we question the impact that Kylie has with ball in hand?

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:20 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Or boost his tackle count by being second/third man in when the tackle is pretty much complete (see your avatar)?

Better late than never

: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:23 pm  

Tony Soprano wrote:

Better late than never

Ah, the Roy Dickinson defence..

"I got there as soon as I could Sir"