: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:48 pm  

El Diablo wrote:

Another constant ethical dilemma for matches with a video ref is what to do when a ref sees something on a big-scren replay that he didn't see in the first place. The Zidane incident in the last World Cup final in Soccerball being a good example. The rules are that the ref can't consider anything seen on the scren in incidents like that, but refs being human it's surely asking a lot to ignore an offence (possible even a violent one) that they have now seen take place. Similarly, should video refs be allowed to call the official's attention to violent conduct, in the same way that the linesman/touch judge/referee's assistant/blah can?

That is sort of my point, I agree with everything you are saying, but it is not the above in some way which I think is our current problem. I think our current problem is that it no longer seems clear what the guidance is, and even though I thought I did I am not sure if it is being applied consistantly.

: Mon Jul 27, 2009 1:56 pm  

tvoc wrote:

The referee was possibly inconsistent between the two incidents although I'd have to review the Hall incident before commenting further. It's always been the case that the video referee will find offences the match day referee may let slide by without his involvement. Again that's the nature of the beast.

The two incidents were decided on by two different officials.

The Richards jump being decided on by the VR and the Hall jump being decided on by the on-field ref.

The VR, granted, has the benefit of multiple replays, the onfield ref can only see things once, at full speed (there are also the touch judges in theory as well but they do naff all imo).

Had the VR not been at the game I would be interested to know if Bentham would have penalised McGuire or let it go, he clearly saw the incident but was 50/50 on it. I know that is complete speculation but I would just be interested *shrug*.

Just touching back to another point I commented on earlier, Bentham penalised Phelps once for moving off the mark, but didn't ping him or Lee Smith again for it when both were doing it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? It seems stupid to penalised once for something then ignore it all game when its clearly happening.

: Mon Jul 27, 2009 2:01 pm  

RossRhino wrote:

Just touching back to another point I commented on earlier, Bentham penalised Phelps once for moving off the mark, but didn't ping him or Lee Smith again for it when both were doing it. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? It seems stupid to penalised once for something then ignore it all game when its clearly happening.

A matter of degrees in the referees interpretation. There were several borderline possibilities and I thought Smith was particularly fortunate the first time he did it.