: Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:57 pm  

gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:

Ah, but Bradford had to cheat us to beat us that season.........

And cheats never beat do they dude. We know cause we play fair and square. Willy nilly. 1st the worst 2nd the best 3rd the one with the hairy chest. Ip dip dogshit.

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:03 pm  

I mentioned in the preview thread this week how Tomkins was beginning to annoy me already.

You can see why Noble had been reluctant to throw Tomkins in week in, week out. There's some talent there but a bit too much attitude going with it at the moment.

No doubt Warrington were giving him a serve, any coach would be missing a trick not to.

Re: Hot Wired : Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:05 pm  

DoubleAone wrote:

touche indeed...

interesting that you feel a teams forwards can dominate even if it lasts only 20 minutes... the game lasts 80 minutes you know.

From where I sat the lasting dominating force in that game where the Wires halves working to imput an excellent game plan from TS.

If this myth about forward domination and halves taking their lead from them where true coaches would be redundant and we would only see boring repetitive matches not the excitment seen today.

The scoring resulted in sway of forward domination between the two sides whichever side had the forward domination - if the Warrington halves were so dominant how did Wigan manage to score so many points?

All sides look for the forwards to domainate to lay the platform once that happens the backs can then fire - the 2007 GF was classic example of that - the forwards beat Saints up and then in the 2nd half the backs took them to the cleaners.

You cannot win a game no matter how dominant your halves are if you forwards get beat up

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:08 pm  

tvoc wrote:

I mentioned in the preview thread this week how Tomkins was beginning to annoy me already.

You can see why Noble had been reluctant to throw Tomkins in week in, week out. There's some talent there but a bit too much attitude going with it at the moment.

No doubt Warrington were giving him a serve, any coach would be missing a trick not to.

King really embarrassed Tomkins today - his defensive frailties were exposed for all to see - somebody needs to deal with his attitude too

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:15 pm  

The thing with Forwards and Halves is that the Forwards need the direction of a scrum half (and hooker) to look good and the halves need the progression up the field (to keep the opposition on the back foot) to give them room to bring the backs into the game.

Neither Forwards nor Halves can do it on their own, that's why its a team game...

Re: Hot Wired : Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:41 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Warington (Smith) did a number on Palea'aesina today. I don't know why every team don't do the same.

Lots of teams do.

This highlights why Stats don't always provide the perfect measurement of a players' ability. There's no stats to measure how Palea'aesina's lack of ability affected the game but it did. His presence changed the course of the game.

Briers and Monoghan directed every drive at him. By the time Noble had realised the mess he was causing in Wigan's defence and got him off (after what must have been a 10 min stint) the lead and, in reality, the match had been lost.

On or two bullocking runs a match doesn't make fekka a decent player. We had this argument early season and lots' of stats were provided to show his was better than Kylie in this area and that but, I am sorry, that lump of lard is not a rugby player,

Re: Hot Wired : Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:44 pm  

Serge A. Storms wrote:

The scoring resulted in sway of forward domination between the two sides whichever side had the forward domination - if the Warrington halves were so dominant how did Wigan manage to score so many points?
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You cannot win a game no matter how dominant your halves are if you forwards get beat up

Make your mind up Dave.......

If Wigans forwards were so dominant...(but couldnt sustain it ) then presumably the Wires pack were beaten up...

How did the Wires halves then wrest domination away without this magical platform and utterly inspire the team to effectively destroy Wigan ( and their dominant pack )

Granted after the injury the Wire took their foot off the gas briefly and with Gansons help made Wigan look good but with inspirational play from ..guess who.... the ship was balanced again and victory assured.

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:23 pm  

G1 wrote:

All genuine Leeds fans.

Saints having the extra fixture is the best thing we could hope for.

Prefer a Yorkshire team to lift the cup and take our chances with Saints (obviously I’m must not be a genuine Leeds fan)

TBH it’d stop all the Stains fans blaming their GF losses on their CC run.

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:41 pm  

LS16_Rhino wrote:

Prefer a Yorkshire team to lift the cup and take our chances with Saints (obviously I’m must not be a genuine Leeds fan)

TBH it’d stop all the Stains fans blaming their GF losses on their CC run.

Dont forget the weather!! Saints love to blame the weather!! Even though it didn't rain in 07 at the gf and was a very nice day for October!

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:58 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

Dont forget the weather!! Saints love to blame the weather!! Even though it didn't rain in 07 at the gf and was a very nice day for October!

Extended cup run, crappy weather and the moon was in the wrong house.

Oh, and according to one particular Saints fan (from Stirlingshire I believe) – simply a mystery.