Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Jul 29, 2017 8:32 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Yet pre 2014 people still whined just as much and wanted the exact same overhauls.

Can we not lose a game simply because a team was better on the day? We have no divine right to win every big game and sure as hell didn't in the CC when Sinfield and Peacock where here along with different coaches.

Let's not forget this Hull beat the LLS winners elect in the last round and last years LLS AND GF winners in the SF and F for god sakes. Now the same people complaining we haven't beaten them are the ones how wrote us off to do nothing before the season started:

Completely agree with that 2nd paragraph wrt no divine right to win & losing to the better team.
What i will add though is simply it's the same glaring weakness' we've been seeing since the start of 2016 i.e Flat footed defence , certain players flogged ,selecting injured players , making changes wjen the game is gone, weak right edge , stop Cuthbertson & DH runs then we have little else other than the odd of the cuff try.
If it was just a case of the better team won then fine but this runs deeper & has done for months.
I dont for 1 minute think we have a devine right to win games but i also dont think it's unreasonable to expect or demand better performances.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:44 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Why by saying this team would bounce back when they were written off nearly every year and then watch them produce the goods? That you started the biggest pi$$ take thread that's lasted 6 years on here shows you to be the biggest idiot on here.

Today ain't any different to post match CC defeats pre 2014. We didn't do too bad in GF's that came up afterwards.

Conveniently forgetting we had Sinfield et al back then. We don't now.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:04 pm  

He does tend to forget these things.This thread and it's constant resurrection, shows to me exactly what Brian McDermott is. An average coach who had the luxury of being surrounded by a once in a lifetime perfect storm of players. Last season showed exactly that. This season, the competition is as poor as in living memory where to be honest, no one but C*s have looked anything like a decent side.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:39 pm  

rugbyleague88 wrote:

McDermott in the last week:

1. Rested his squad to lose 2pts and a semi final.
2. Picked Golding over Walker (ridiculous).
3. Fail to take Briscoe off in the 1st half after failing to deal with around 5-6 kicks.
4. Bringing Lilley on when the game was over.

He absolutely does not have a clue. If Briscoe plays next week then it sums him up completely.

Poor analysis. Hull were deserved winners with an outstanding performance and would have rolled over most sides on the day. Their forwards totally dominated ours with quick play the balls and fierce dominating tackling. All of our forwards were bested by their opposite numbers including Parcell. Behind their go forward Sneyd had an absolute field day and dominated field position to keep us pinned down on our own line. So this was where the game was lost and nothing to do with your points.

Briscoe was dreadful but was not alone with Ferris and Singleton looking especially poor and Garbutt looking slow and ponderous. Leeds never got any real momentum going so rarely threatened their line.

Despite this we are still in with a good chance to reach the GF so maybe a blessing in disguise. We missed both Burrow and Galloway in the middle too.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:54 pm  

Just watched a bit of 2015 grand final.

Peacock, Sinfield, Hardaker, Ablett, Kylie, Burrow, fit(ish) Delaney, Briscoe with some confidence.

Today the side was not as good as that 2015 side. Lots of effort but not enough organisation or X factor.

They need at least 1 more signing on top of the two signings so far. Not sure how a different coach could have changed the result today. Hull's players raised their game and we didn't have the size, power, speed or X factor to beat them.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:38 am  

The latest trendy buzz word in industry/government depts. is that every decision must be “evidence-based”. So let’s analyse BMD’s coaching performance using an evidence-based approach.

Is there ANY evidence of attack coaching? This would include set plays, structured attacking plays, utilising runners/dummy runners on angled runs, an attempt to quickly move the ball to our strike wings/Watkins in order to isolate defenders, mixing the flat-line attack up a bit with some steeper-lined moves.

I see little to no evidence of any of the above (particularly since the beginning of 2016). It seems to me the limit of BMD’s attacking prowess is to instruct 5 plays of short ball from dummy half to a big guy running close to the ruck followed by a kick. Additionally, when attacking close to the opposition line, the instruction appears to be to get the ball to McGuire or Moon & get them to “fix” the defence with their off-the-cuff style of running. Whilst this latter tactic has occasionally worked for us, due to the skills of those individuals, it is hardly coaching genius to instruct “throw it to Moon/McGuire & let them do their stuff”!

It was said that BMD’s real test as a coach would come when Sinfield & Peacock retired. Well, that hasn’t worked out too well so far, has it? 2016 a complete disaster until Segayaro arrived to save us from the ignominy of the MPG. 2017 get to CC SF by beating Barrow, Doncaster & Featherstone. Once real opposition arrived (yesterday), we are totally embarrassed. (BTW, I think Hull played exceptional rugby & would have beaten most/all SL sides on that performance). We are still in with a shout to reach the GF, as are the woeful Salford & Wakefield. With Hull & either Salford or Wigan having Wembley to come, this could (should) cement our place in 2nd. Who knows? We could yet win the GF. Would that be because of BMD’s coaching, or despite it?

All the evidence (as far as I can see) points to BMD being a very good man-manager, capable of steering a team of very, very, very good players/leaders to success. I also see good signs of his ability to coach defensive structures/plans (with the odd blip – but which coach doesn’t?). What I find completely lacking is ANY evidence of his attack coaching skills, or (thus far) his ability to manage a team lacking the greatest leaders in SL history.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:23 am  

PrinterThe wrote:

Yet pre 2014 people still whined just as much and wanted the exact same overhauls.

Of course they did, and they were spot on correct. The things said were not what you say they were, instead what was said clearly was that McDermott would take the club backwards if he stayed in place. Exactly what has happened. Him removed then wouldn't have stopped 2015, but would have stopped 2016, and the uncertain future we currently have,

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:15 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Him removed then wouldn't have stopped 2015, but would have stopped 2016, and the uncertain future we currently have,

yeah of course

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:56 am  

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All the evidence (as far as I can see) points to BMD being a very good man-manager, capable of steering a team of very, very, very good players/leaders to success..[/quote]

That's a good post you've put there, and I find it difficult to question the majority of it. I just wonder what actual impact his man management has had on our success or perceived recent lack of it? If it's based on what past and present players have said about him, for me their opinions mean very little in relation to achievements on the field. It's hard not to compare Brian Mclennans so called failure to motivate Leeds players (twice champions in 3 years), to current and recently retired players gushing about him as a man manager and coach (champions once in his last four seasons). Last season was a debacle, and all the talk about him being a great man manager and motivator seems absolutely ridiculous when viewed from an "outside the club" perspective. One of our great failings last season appears to be a lack of belief and confidence amongst the players, something a great "man manager" would surely have addressed on an individual and collective basis. I think the majority of supporters believe he only ever picks the team and "motivates" them, not many would suggest his actual technical and tactical coaching is of any value to the players. Yes we won the treble in 2015, but between 2013 and the current day, I would say his supposed strongest asset is a figment of people's imagination.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:21 pm  

I wonder how much Briscoe or Ferres rate him as a coach? Both arrived as top class internationals and now both look very ordinary.