Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:45 pm  

So to paraphrase, if I were to turn up to training and give it everything I have at 43, I would get selected above the young player of the year in the championship because he had the wrong attitude? Give it a rest... Baldwinson's face hasn't fit with McDermott since he decided to go to New Zealand and anyone who suggests otherwise is either stupid or bull sh1tting.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:47 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

True. Maybe the attitude of the player should be questioned instead of just the coach.

We've seen the coach stick with Keinhorst who we've seen to be always full of effort and not go with Robbie Ward who was slated by Hunslet players for not trying when he was on DR there.

Maybe Baldwinson hasn't exactly got a great attitude. He/his camp weren't shy about coming out at the time of his move to NZ criticising the Leeds club for a derisory and insulting offer, yet was quite happy to come back here with his tail between his legs several months later.

He showed his commitment during his DR at Featherstone and there has never been any question as to his attitude in training so I would suggest that is a red herring. If he had an attitude problem why did Leeds re-sign him, they were offered Ward on his return but turned him down.

Let's face it McDermott doesn't appear to have an issue with serial wrong doer Hardaker?

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:48 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

So to paraphrase, if I were to turn up to training and give it everything I have at 43, I would get selected above the young player of the year in the championship because he had the wrong attitude? Give it a rest... Baldwinson's face hasn't fit with McDermott since he decided to go to New Zealand and anyone who suggests otherwise is either stupid or bull sh1tting.

Of course - obvious to some.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:51 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So looking at those two players one has significantly more talent than the other - which do you think will make the most of their talent?

The one who works hardest and has the right attitude. Were Sinfield or Peacock the most talented?

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:53 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

The one who works hardest and has the right attitude. Were Sinfield or Peacock the most talented?

Sinfield was the best youngster of his peer group by a mile - he was always destined for stardom. A bit before your time I know but he was cut above any youngster playing for any of the top sides in the academy as they called in those days.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:02 pm  

Sinfield was the classic example of an old head on young shoulders. Dougie got a lot wrong at Leeds, but he was more excited about signing the 13 year old Kevin Sinfield than many more well established 'stars'.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:13 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

So to paraphrase, if I were to turn up to training and give it everything I have at 43, I would get selected above the young player of the year in the championship because he had the wrong attitude? Give it a rest... Baldwinson's face hasn't fit with McDermott since he decided to go to New Zealand and anyone who suggests otherwise is either stupid or bull sh1tting.

People thinking we re-signed him just to spite him and not play him are the ones full of bat-sh*t thinking. Wasn't part of the reason Mulhern left because he was going to fall further behind the pecking order with Baldwinson returning?

He had to show patience for his chance, he's sulked so it looks like he's leaving. People just obsessed with daft theories that everything issue is McDermott's fault.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:16 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Sinfield was the best youngster of his peer group by a mile .

Yes but was that because he was the fastest, or strongest, or best HB, or best loose forward, or even at that time a great goal kicker. Just like his senior career I'm sure their was a number of players who had more natural talent in certain attributes than him.

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:42 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yes but was that because he was the fastest, or strongest, or best HB, or best loose forward, or even at that time a great goal kicker. Just like his senior career I'm sure their was a number of players who had more natural talent in certain attributes than him.

There are not many players who can throw 30 yard passes or completely run games before they have left school, there wasnt a flood of teams trying to sign him for his great attitude

Re: HARDAKER TRANSFER LISTED : Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:47 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Of course - obvious to some.

Were they the same people who said early in 2013 that he had an issue with Singleton and that his face didn't fit with the coach after he only made 3 appearances over the years. Since Magic Weekend 2013 Singleton has since been picked in 88 of the 104 games played (one his own fault for getting suspended last week) and only Ablett played more games in our treble winning season, but as soon as Singleton wasn't selected for two games this season it was back to McDermott doesn't like him and his face doesn't fit.......

......still can't let it get in the way of a good agenda. It's almost an unwritten rule with some fans, if someone doesn't get picked for a game it obviously has to be because McDermott has fallen out with them because he's a ruthless dictator who is full of spite for certain players.