Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:04 am  

Backwoodsman wrote:

I suppose Brian macs reply to any criticism would be we won the game what more do you want.

Like the All Blacks say 'Success is a bad teacher'

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:05 am  

Sometimes I don't agree with McDermotts non use of subs but tonight I did. The team had got into its groove, the last thing it needed was disrupting in both attack and defence.

Sutcliffe was playing well at centre so no need to move him and Ward and Ablett were doing there jobs in the middle. So no real justification to use Keinhorst at that point.

The same goes for Burrow. The way Parcell was playing there was no reason to move him just to accommodate Burrow and moving the halves around would disrupt the team as well.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:38 am  

Now he's won a game with 15, how long before he tries it with 14?

Christ alive we could end up with fewer than 10 on the field

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:50 am  

Him wrote:

Sometimes I don't agree with McDermotts non use of subs but tonight I did. The team had got into its groove, the last thing it needed was disrupting in both attack and defence.

Sutcliffe was playing well at centre so no need to move him and Ward and Ablett were doing there jobs in the middle. So no real justification to use Keinhorst at that point.

The same goes for Burrow. The way Parcell was playing there was no reason to move him just to accommodate Burrow and moving the halves around would disrupt the team as well.

The Burrow one maybe but in the first half JJB went off for about 10 mins. Like people have said, too many games he's blowing out his booty and would be more effective with a decent rest. Jimmy should have come on then and could have done the period before and after half time.

I can't recall them getting into their groove, more that penalties and poor Saints handling helped us. It just happens too often. How many games is that this season not utilising his bench?

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:58 am  

Saints players were struggling hence why they were coming up with errors and penalties and struggling to get anywhere near our line in the final 30 mins and took one bit of individual play for them to actually score any points second half. Yes players looked tired, it's a tough game RL you know, Peacock use to look knackered about 5 mins into a match in the last several years of his career.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:18 am  

D4mo78 wrote:

The Burrow one maybe but in the first half JJB went off for about 10 mins. Like people have said, too many games he's blowing out his booty and would be more effective with a decent rest. Jimmy should have come on then and could have done the period before and after half time.

In which case presumably Delaney or someone else wouldn't have been used?

D4mo78 wrote:

I can't recall them getting into their groove, more that penalties and poor Saints handling helped us. It just happens too often. How many games is that this season not utilising his bench?

I don't think it was poor Saints handling or certainly not exclusively. Giving penalties away and dropping the ball is usually a sign of a team being put on the back foot and starting to lose the play the ball. We upped it in the second half, just as Saints had done to us in the first. And you could see from how we passed the ball around in the second half that we were more confident and assured with the ball. We were passing it and offloading and they were sticking. If I was coach I'd have been loathe to disrupt that if I felt I didn't have to.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:37 am  

Wasn't it two late errors by an understandably weary Ward that almost proved costly. St Helens knick that game at the death and the post mortem probably has a less sympathetic outcome.

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:42 am  

said that to rhinoms last night. he was out on his feet. but he obviously didn't warrant having a 10 minute breather.
saints were tired, according to some, as we stepped it up. but don't mention the leeds players out on there feet making errors.
the 17 should, and could, have been handled far more responsibly to get the maximum out of them.
i'm sure some will still make excuses though

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:48 am  

tvoc wrote:

Wasn't it two late errors by an understandably weary Ward that almost proved costly. St Helens knick that game at the death and the post mortem probably has a less sympathetic outcome.

Yes, but the one that led to their second try was caused by an unnecessary pass when all we had to do was "stick it up the jumper". That's what irked me the most at the time.
I know that Watkins missed a relatively easy penalty kick - at the game I said we shouldn't have gone for it - but fotunately for us Percival's miss was even worse.
Thank goodness also for LMS' concrete hands, couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

Re: For the live of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:43 am  

Old Feller wrote:

I know that Watkins missed a relatively easy penalty kick - at the game I said we shouldn't have gone for it - but fotunately for us Percival's miss was even worse.

Percival was as bad as anyone else on the field last night, and seems to have gone way off the boil, which isn't great from an England POV, although I don't think he's ready yet anyway.
Watkins though, must have to do more tackling than any other centre in the comp. Another 30 tackles from him yesterday, it would really benefit his game if we could find a way to reduce his defensive workload, but it doesn't help that most teams favour their left side attack.