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| What has been overlooked re Allen's contribution was his one on one steal from Blaymire(?) in the opening minute that led to Ali's opening try.
I thought his tackling generally was an improvement on previous performance but he does lack pace. Pity about the break with a little more composure he should have taken the 1st tackle or looked to come inside or arguably even better have passed to Scott Donald. But what I couldn't see was if the Wakefield player had got in a position to prevent that.
If so then he should have taken the tackle. It would have been tackle one, who knows what the next sets would have led to? But we're all great with hindsight.
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| I thought Ganson was appauling for both teams 17 pens in 20 minutes was shocking and not justified. The game struggled to recover from his appauling 20minute display. If we had 2 players back i.e. a brough or a scully we probably would have won. I really didnt think you guys deserved to win last night your 2 out of 3 trys came from terrible errors by us. Draw was a fair result 
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| Quote Old Feller="Old Feller"What has been overlooked re Allen's contribution was his one on one steal from Blaymire(?) in the opening minute that led to Ali's opening try.
I thought his tackling generally was an improvement on previous performance but he does lack pace. Pity about the break with a little more composure he should have taken the 1st tackle or looked to come inside or arguably even better have passed to Scott Donald. But what I couldn't see was if the Wakefield player had got in a position to prevent that.
If so then he should have taken the tackle. It would have been tackle one, who knows what the next sets would have led to? But we're all great with hindsight.'"
Not overlooked entirely...  just though the crucial element was different.
Quote Old Feller="DoubleAone"Fekwits report....
The lad did OK. Nice early touch with a little chip kick into the in-goal that forced the position for Ali's try.
Busy defensively and with a bit more experiece would have made more of the break.
Took a big knock in the second half but stood his ground.
Not helped being played out of position IMO..............
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A much better all round performance than the friendly fixture and given this was within a disrupted team it is better then first appears really.
If this continues and with the Eastwood development then the lad may well have the opporunities..... a can see some real potential developing...but just not in the backs.
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| Quote newgroundb4cas="newgroundb4cas"I thought Ganson was appauling for both teams 17 pens in 20 minutes was shocking and not justified. The game struggled to recover from his appauling 20minute display. If we had 2 players back i.e. a brough or a scully we probably would have won. I really didnt think you guys deserved to win last night your 2 out of 3 trys came from terrible errors by us. Draw was a fair result
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You've convinced me. The point is in the post.
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| Quote Dave Heron's Moustache="Dave Heron's Moustache"You've convinced me. The point is in the post.'"
I deserve 2 points for the Ganson comment  . Even the hardened of Rhino fan must say the game struggled to recover from that padantic t*at in orange .
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| Quote newgroundb4cas="newgroundb4cas"I deserve 2 points for the Ganson comment
. Even the hardened of Rhino fan must say the game struggled to recover from that padantic t*at in orange .'"
I am constantly surprised that our opponents fans seem to think that a free flowing, penalty light game will suit their team more than Leeds? Even with pedantic reffing and stop-start games we still manage to score a good 300-400 points more than everyone bar Stains. Imagine what we could rattle up without a Ganson on the pitch?
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| Quote Dave Heron's Moustache="Dave Heron's Moustache"I am constantly surprised that our opponents fans seem to think that a free flowing, penalty light game will suit their team more than Leeds? Even with pedantic reffing and stop-start games we still manage to score a good 300-400 points more than everyone bar Stains. Imagine what we could rattle up without a Ganson on the pitch?'"
You seemed to have miss read me there. Im not saying it may have favoured us. Im saying it would have certainly favoured the 15000 people that were watching that game because the ref killed it as a spectacle in that first 20minutes of sheer sh*te refing.
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| Quote newgroundb4cas="newgroundb4cas"You seemed to have miss read me there. Im not saying it may have favoured us. Im saying it would have certainly favoured the 15000 people that were watching that game because the ref killed it as a spectacle in that first 20minutes of sheer sh*te refing.'"
He didnt spoil it for me last night,,,although when he starts "inventing" rules I do get a bit frustrated.
I think for the first 20 minutes he forgot it wasnt on Sky and that the audience love to watch HIM. 
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| Quote JINJER="JINJER"Why on earth would they ban a Leeds player?????As if?
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Suppose, lets face it Smithy wasn't band for the final after booting someone in the face (I forget who). But **Calderspud** was banned for two games recently for tripping and they may want to make an example out of Bailey.
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Not Calderspud, was Mathers......whoops!
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| Quote _dyl_="_dyl_"Suppose, lets face it Smithy wasn't band for the final after booting someone in the face (I forget who). But Calderspud was banned for two games recently for tripping and they may want to make an example out of Bailey.'"
assuming he is found guilty first 
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| Quote _dyl_="_dyl_"Suppose, lets face it Smithy wasn't band for the final after booting someone in the face (I forget who). '"
Phil Bailey and he deserved the accidental contact.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Phil Bailey and he deserved the accidental contact.'"
I agree, if only for that crime against humanity that he committed in the 1980's with Phil Collins, they both should have been locked up for a very long time.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"Phil Bailey and he deserved the accidental contact.'"
Why?
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| Quote RB="RB"Why?'"
When you hold down and mess around in the tackle (instead of rolling away as the law dictates) you're liable to get caught up with the player attempting to regain his feet to play the ball.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"When you hold down and mess around in the tackle (instead of rolling away as the law dictates) you're liable to get caught up with the player attempting to regain his feet to play the ball.'"
So he deserved a kick in the face (potentially causing facial injuries) because he held a player down for longer than he should? You're pathetic.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"When you hold down and mess around in the tackle (instead of rolling away as the law dictates) you're liable to get caught up with the player attempting to regain his feet to play the ball.'"
& That's usually caused because the players have got fed up with the ref not taking action so they take the law into their own hands.
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| Quote RB="RB"So he deserved a kick in the face (potentially causing facial injuries) because he held a player down for longer than he should? You're pathetic.'"
That is quite clearly not what he is suggesting. The point is that when there is two players in close proximity like during a tackle the potential for accidental contact is significantly increased.
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| Quote RB="RB"So he deserved a kick in the face (potentially causing facial injuries) because he held a player down for longer than he should? You're pathetic.'"
The contact was accidental as a result of Smith trying to get to his feet. Not deliberate in any way and no intent to cause any injury to Bailey. Smith doesn't look behind him and does not know position of Bailey's head when trying to get to feet.
Quote RB="McLaren_Field"I agree, if only for that crime against humanity that he committed in the 1980's with Phil Collins, they both should have been locked up for a very long time.'"
Without Bailey and Collins Easy Lover we may never have had Fur Q's Uzi Lover though.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"The contact was accidental as a result of Smith trying to get to his feet. Not deliberate in any way and no intent to cause any injury to Bailey. Smith doesn't look behind him and does not know position of Bailey's head when trying to get to feet.
Without Bailey and Collins Easy Lover we may never have had Fur Q's Uzi Lover though.'"
Agreed Smith doesn't look bahind him, but i dont need to look behind me to know someone has hold of my legs........I dont think Smith intended to connect with his face but he did kick out. I dont know about you but my feet go on the floor and push up to re-gain my feet. Not in the air.
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| Is it just me or does Bailey look a lot leaner than he did last year? Looks to have lost his bulk a bit.
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| Quote tvoc="tvoc"The contact was accidental as a result of Smith trying to get to his feet. Not deliberate in any way and no intent to cause any injury to Bailey. Smith doesn't look behind him and does not know position of Bailey's head when trying to get to feet.
Without Bailey and Collins Easy Lover we may never have had Fur Q's Uzi Lover though.'"
That song was, like many of my killings, ironic.
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| Were Wakefield the most negative side to ever come to Headingley? The showed no ambition to win the game and were on a pure damage limitation excercise before kick off. I know they have injuries but the mentally to win games should be strong, who ever plays.
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| I did not attend the game, but one thing baffled me.
Why the f*ck would any team kick 2 points for a penalty when 12-2 down???
John Kear has done OK at Wakefield, but he's only a small club coach trying to scrape the odd win. He'd never do well at a bigger club with such negative coaching methods.
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| Quote Longun="Longun"I did not attend the game, but one thing baffled me.
Why the f*ck would any team kick 2 points for a penalty when 12-2 down???
John Kear has done OK at Wakefield, but he's only a small club coach trying to scrape the odd win. He'd never do well at a bigger club with such negative coaching methods.'"
because they didn't think they could get a try?
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| Quote tad rhino="tad rhino"because they didn't think they could get a try?'"
Negative & Boring.
What difference does 2 points make at 12-2?? Leeds players and coaches must have been really worried that Wakey were eating into Leeds' lead  icon_smile.gificon_smile.gificon_smile.gificon_smile.gif
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