Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:14 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

one ref didntbsee 3 sneaky ball steals by mcshane. 2 refs would

Not definitely. But if he doesn’t see the need to try that tactic in the first place we can get on with the game without 2 referees or a stoppage and penalty/scrum.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:30 pm  

But people will always try to get an advantage either inside or outside of the rules - it's like diving in football. You can't bank on people playing lawfully so you need to regulate to counteract it. Either two refs or use the video ref more, as others have suggested - there are natural delays in the game anyway so it shouldn't impact overly.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:40 am  

As a suggestion how about the sport is great leave it alone.

Refs are already doubling up on weekends cos we dont have enough so 2 refs is virtually an impossibility and as for using video ref more pfffft you must be having a laugh surely?

Let's just accept refs cant see thru bodies, are human, will make mistakes just like players and coaches do.

Fans worry too much about referees.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:21 am  

The ruck is a mess and has been for a while.

The game needs to reach out to new audiences and I don’t think we can afford to have these obvious frustrating aspects to the game.

Ball security in the tackle and ruck is a bit of a lottery; most calls seem 50/50 because it’s very difficult to establish intent with three or four blokes wrestling.

There are also too many stoppages around this issue.

We might never get it perfect but it is a clear area where the game could be working better IMO.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:09 am  

Rugby Union's rucks are s hell of a mess compared to our 3 men tackles and nobody moans about them impacting viewing figures. The average non RL fan doesn't turn off or not watch cos the rucks are a mess.

The game has never been faster or more competitive.

People complain about the wrestling in the game but that is now part of the game and is a much worked on and is now a skill in the sport.

The only way to sort any ruck issues and wrestling techniques is to play touch and pass. Now for a long part of this season weve looked like we was playing touch and pass on our own tryline but do we really want to go there.

The sport is fine its fast the games are competitive, its physical and its played by great athletes. Let's praise the sport for once.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:59 am  

The rucks in RU are a false equivalence.

What I’m talking about is cheating behaviour which often leads to unnecessary stoppages and penalties given incorrectly. It can make a lottery out of possession.

If you don’t find it frustrating I’m happy for you but I do.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:02 am  

“If you’re not cheating, your not trying...” Rhinos legend, Barrie McDermott

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:05 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

Rugby Union's rucks are s hell of a mess compared to our 3 men tackles and nobody moans about them impacting viewing figures. The average non RL fan doesn't turn off or not watch cos the rucks are a mess.

The game has never been faster or more competitive.

People complain about the wrestling in the game but that is now part of the game and is a much worked on and is now a skill in the sport.

The only way to sort any ruck issues and wrestling techniques is to play touch and pass. Now for a long part of this season weve looked like we was playing touch and pass on our own tryline but do we really want to go there.

The sport is fine its fast the games are competitive, its physical and its played by great athletes. Let's praise the sport for once.

Up until 2010 the game in the UK was a lot faster, not necessarily saying that it was a better spectacle, but after the World Cup In 2008, with the Super League players not adapting well to the slower/more ruck orientated game, the RFL purposefully allowed the likes of Michael Maguire, Nathan Brown etc to introduce a lot more wrestling in the ruck, much to the detriment of the game.

The NRL speeded up the ruck with the introduction of 2 referees, to clamp down on wresting and pressure on the joints etc.

Wigan’s team in 2010 was the most negative, ‘rugby killing’, ruck orientated team to win the GF in SL history.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:53 am  

People have to realise with regards to the ruck that if you speed it up so much that teams can literally roll down the field with one man rugby as the defence cant get back in time and I see this a lot in the NRL.

If you can make 60 or 70m a set by taking no risks why would you? Watch an NRL game and every set of 6 is the same. Drive, drive, drive, structured spread set play on 4th, drive and attacking kick cos you are upto opponents 30m line.

With regards to ruck speed impacting TV viewing figures for Sky I just dont buy it. RL fans will watch RL games regardless if they can. Non RL fans out of the heartlands will watch a game now and again but I dont believe for a second they will turn off cos there is too much wrestling in the ruck.

The 2 on 1 ball steal was brought in initially because likes of Gavin Clinch and Paul Dixon was becoming experts and literally stripping or stealing the ball while teammates held the player up. Now players get penalised for making a tackle and touching the ball in that tackle which makes the ball carrier lose the ball. That shouldnt be penalised but its difficult for referees who haven't developed eyesight that can see through 3 human bodies sometimes. It's impossible for them.

Re: SL RD 21 | Castleford Tigers (A) : Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:15 am  

batleyrhino wrote:

“If you’re not cheating, your not trying...” Rhinos legend, Barrie McDermott

I once asked David Ward what makes a good hooker he replied the best cheat.