Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 1:13 pm  

Our defence bar Warrington has been pretty good.

Im not a huge fan of rush out defence anyway and it seems the kings of that type of defence have been found out a bit this year (saints) with teams playing around them.

What’s cost us games is daft errors.

I don’t want us to play the percentages like Huddersfield, its just not a brand of Rugby I want to see. And I don’t think it’s overly successful in Super League.

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 1:24 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

no aggression, no go forward. frankly if there is an improvement its very little

It just isn't true though, is it? It's like we didn't just post 40 points at Wigan. You've said that you don't like the coaches personality - fair enough - but that does seem to colour the majority of your posts.

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 2:51 pm  

the second half, like catalan, was supurb. dominant, give the halves room to play, squeeze wigan out of the game. magnificent rugby league.
the first was tame, turgid terrible rugby. a better side would have been 40 up at half time. if you are happy with the first half you're easily pleased.
as for smith I don't like him. smug and full of himself. I hope he proves me wrong and leads to success. i just can't see it with his ' revolutionary' style

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 3:18 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

the second half, like catalan, was supurb. dominant, give the halves room to play, squeeze wigan out of the game. magnificent rugby league.
the first was tame, turgid terrible rugby. a better side would have been 40 up at half time. if you are happy with the first half you're easily pleased.
as for smith I don't like him. smug and full of himself. I hope he proves me wrong and leads to success. i just can't see it with his ' revolutionary' style

It already has lead to success, you're just blind to it. 10th place to GF in 2022. I haven't done the sums, but I would imagine top 4 in results over his 1st year in charge. All this with very limited funds with which to effect change. Yet, a few wobbly results at the start of the season and people are baying for his head. It's the kind of nonsense I'd expect to see from a Premier League Football Club fan base. Rugby League can really do without this kind of "all pile on" mentality. I don't like it when we don't play well, but I tend to suck it up and get behind the players and the coach in the hope (as it did on Friday) that it comes good.

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 3:27 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

the second half, like catalan, was supurb. dominant, give the halves room to play, squeeze wigan out of the game. magnificent rugby league.
the first was tame, turgid terrible rugby. a better side would have been 40 up at half time. if you are happy with the first half you're easily pleased.
as for smith I don't like him. smug and full of himself. I hope he proves me wrong and leads to success. i just can't see it with his ' revolutionary' style

Where are you getting smug snd full of himself from?

He’s come across as exactly the opposite in interviews.

Where’s he said his style is revolutionary?

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 3:32 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

the second half, like catalan, was supurb. dominant, give the halves room to play, squeeze wigan out of the game. magnificent rugby league.
the first was tame, turgid terrible rugby. a better side would have been 40 up at half time. if you are happy with the first half you're easily pleased.
as for smith I don't like him. smug and full of himself. I hope he proves me wrong and leads to success. i just can't see it with his ' revolutionary' style

It all seems a bit black and white for you. The difference between the first and second half at Wigan was fairly basic. The timing and location of the risks being taken by the players, and the risks coming off. If you throw a pass 30 yards from your own line that isn’t on, after shifting wide and drop it then you won’t see any aggression as you won’t have the ball to show it. All we did second half was not throw ridiculous passes in stupid places on the field. Surprise surprise that meant we got more of a foothold and better field position, surprise surprise we started defending in better field position. Surprise surprise we got more confident and more passes stick. A better side would be 40 up at half time? Like who, name a side 40 up away at Wigan at half time? Games are 80 minutes, not 40 and we won the game. Judge on the overall game not a snapshot period that fits your position.

By revolutionary you mean he encourages more than 5 physical drives up and the a long quick and rush defence pressure? What a revolutionary thinker this coach is, it’s almost unbelievable.

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 3:41 pm  

wigan should have been 40 up. isn't that obvious? as for the stupid passes yes but guess what? start playing with aggression and doing the hard stuff, dominating in defence, then you get rewards too.
snap shots? it was hardly 5 minutes. 40 minutes of garbage and 40 minutes traditional RL.
uncle Tony tried to be revolutionary in 2006. how did that end up? he reverted to proper RL in 2007.
guess you see what you want to see

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 3:45 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

wigan should have been 40 up. isn't that obvious? as for the stupid passes yes but guess what? start playing with aggression and doing the hard stuff, dominating in defence, then you get rewards too.
snap shots? it was hardly 5 minutes. 40 minutes of garbage and 40 minutes traditional RL.
uncle Tony tried to be revolutionary in 2006. how did that end up? he reverted to proper RL in 2007.
guess you see what you want to see

Why should Wigan have been 40up at half time? What foes that actually mean? We were playing Wigan and they were 8 up at half time, what’s the ‘should’ part.

Again who’s said anything about revolutionary? Only you that I can see.

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 4:41 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

wigan should have been 40 up. isn't that obvious? as for the stupid passes yes but guess what? start playing with aggression and doing the hard stuff, dominating in defence, then you get rewards too.
snap shots? it was hardly 5 minutes. 40 minutes of garbage and 40 minutes traditional RL.
uncle Tony tried to be revolutionary in 2006. how did that end up? he reverted to proper RL in 2007.
guess you see what you want to see

No it isn't obvious. Leeds didn't respect the ball and made some bad errors in terms of discipline, but they defended their line pretty doggedly. Name the try scoring passes Wigan dropped, or the times they knocked on over the line? I was at the match and off the top of my head I can't recall any. Truth is, Leeds hung in there, regrouped, and came out firing in the second half. Isn't that what good teams do? Will we get away with going 14 down against the same opposition this week? Almost certainly not, but that's Saturdays problem. Just don't understand how you can take so little pleasure in the positives.

Re: RD 12 | Wigan Warriors (A) : Tue May 16, 2023 5:29 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

wigan should have been 40 up. isn't that obvious? as for the stupid passes yes but guess what? start playing with aggression and doing the hard stuff, dominating in defence, then you get rewards too.
snap shots? it was hardly 5 minutes. 40 minutes of garbage and 40 minutes traditional RL.
uncle Tony tried to be revolutionary in 2006. how did that end up? he reverted to proper RL in 2007.
guess you see what you want to see

But they weren’t 40 up were they? But oh I forgot that’s because of how poor they are, nothing to do with us obviously. If everything in sport was as it should be then nobody would watch. You would decide at the start of the year who should win what games and SL and then that would just be that wouldn’t it. Ridiculous argument.
There is a subtlety to the point I am making but I hope you would appreciate it. If you throw a stupid pass, in the wrong part of the field and early in a set then if you drop it or knock on you simply can’t do what you call ‘tough stuff’ as you don’t have the ball. If you throw those passes when it’s appropriate, in the right part of the field and they stick then guess what you still have the ball and you can do ‘tough stuff’
You seem to suggest we don’t want or like ‘tough stuff’ but against what most consider one of the most physical teams in SL away from home, down at half time, down to 12 and with 1 sub down we seemed to ‘tough stuff’ without issue didn’t we?
A snapshot is looking at half a game and making a point, it’s 80 minutes and two halves. If you had some balance to what you said and looked at the whole game it wouldn’t be an issue would it.
Traditional RL? I mean what even is that? You talk about aggression, you talk about tough stuff. Seems to me you bounce around on what’s traditional and what’s not, what you like and what you don’t; what’s a revolution, what’s not. However, what is super super clear is you don’t like Smith, I honestly don’t think it would matter what he did, how we played, if we win or we don’t. There is always something to moan about isn’t there.