Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:04 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

Come on Chris, Oldeski wouldn't get anywhere near the current Saints side - Newman is a great talent but he is no Percival or Hopate at this stage.

How many forwards do we need - we have 15 out of 25 - perhaps its the quality that is really the problem not quantity.

If course Oledski would, don’t be silly. There’s a lot going wrong at the club but doesn’t mean you need to think everything is crap.

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:19 am  

christopher wrote:

If course Oledski would, don’t be silly. There’s a lot going wrong at the club but doesn’t mean you need to think everything is crap.

I don't want it to sound like being at a pantomime but he wouldn't get anywhere Saints side - he is a pretty average SL forward - on here he is blown up to be the next big thing - you have had your judgement clouded too. He hasn't done anything to justify the esteem he held here.

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:26 am  

Im pretty sure if Kyle Amor is in the Saints squad that Mikolaj might get a game or 2 lol.

Mikolaj certainly hasnt hit last seasons form yet, dont think hes been 100% fit, but hes probably the least of our issues. He should be the cornerstone we build around in the pack.

Easy to forget also how young he still is too. He makes ground and tackles well enough for me but he needs to develop an offload/passing game.

Hes going to be a good player for us tho im sure.

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:33 am  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I don't want it to sound like being at a pantomime but he wouldn't get anywhere Saints side - he is a pretty average SL forward - on here he is blown up to be the next big thing - you have had your judgement clouded too. He hasn't done anything to justify the esteem he held here.

I think you’re 100% wrong - it seems so does the current England coach.

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:05 am  

christopher wrote:

When does Gale arrive at Hull? Im sure he signed for you in the off season

To be fair,he did alright against Wakey. Then has a brain fart against of all teams,Saints.

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:32 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

I don't want it to sound like being at a pantomime but he wouldn't get anywhere Saints side - he is a pretty average SL forward - on here he is blown up to be the next big thing - you have had your judgement clouded too. He hasn't done anything to justify the esteem he held here.

Whereas Matty Lees, LMS and Kyle Amor have done what exactly? Saints have one superstar prop in Walmsley, one who looks like he might become a superstar in Lees and the rest are just 'average SL forwards' playing in a pack that wins its battles more often than not thanks to a cracking back row and some excellent coaching. Oledzki is definitively not average, he has shown that. Everyone agrees he's a special player. He would be in every SuperLeague 17. Every one.

[Fantastic Mr Catpiss]

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:52 pm  

chapylad wrote:

That`s what I said.
Gale was/is a good player but Agar didn`t like him.
Maybe Agar and Long possibly want their halves to play their way which is surprising if Longs involved as he was a much better half back than what we currently have/had recently.

i alluded on here a few weeks back about austin not settling in as well he could have, he was mustard at warrington for not following the game plan, i heard from a few seperate sources that briers absolutely hated working with him, wouldn't surprise me if long was of similar mindset.

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:24 pm  

Don’t know about you but I have to work with people that I don’t like or that aren’t easy but still get on with my job and get it done. That excuse just doesn’t wash

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:34 am  

Austin has a particular style and his strengths and weaknesses have been known for a long time. Ditto Sezer. Why would any halfback coach try to do anything other than get them to play to their respective strengths?

Re: RD 5 | Hull FC (H) : Tue Mar 15, 2022 10:06 am  

Big Jim Slade wrote:

Whereas Matty Lees, LMS and Kyle Amor have done what exactly? Saints have one superstar prop in Walmsley, one who looks like he might become a superstar in Lees and the rest are just 'average SL forwards' playing in a pack that wins its battles more often than not thanks to a cracking back row and some excellent coaching. Oledzki is definitively not average, he has shown that. Everyone agrees he's a special player. He would be in every SuperLeague 17. Every one.

That's exactly how the golden generation operated. Peacock and to a degree Kylie backed up by average plodders (Bailey, Kirke, Griffin etc.).

Mik is a great talent and prospect, and should go on to be that Peacock type player, but he's not quite there yet. He needs to be given time to develop without the pressure of carrying the pack.

I think we slightly overlook how much our backrow did during the golden generation. Ablett and JJB were an unreal backrow pairing, with unbelievable engines. They did so much works in D that allowed Peacock and Kylie to focus more on taking the ball up the middle. Ablett had a poor end to his Leeds career, but you could argue he was our most consistent/under-rated player for a number of years.

Our current backrow options include Bentley (needs to stay on the field), Martin (good all-rounder but can go missing), Gannon (amazing prospect, but too early for him) and Mellow (great athlete, but personally I think he's too soft).

Our props are all athletic and fit, but there's not one big body in there that's hard to handle the way Satae was on Thursday. With Holroyd injured, our recruitment in the off season looks a lot poorer.