Re: Hull FC.... : Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:26 am  

tvoc wrote:

I don't think it was as bad, for one it wasn't Liam Farrell, I also don't recall any adverse reaction to the challenge from Keinhorst although in fairness to Jimmy he was probably already suffering from shock receiving a great pass from a player who according to some is incapable of supplying one.

There are always exceptions to every rule! I give Hardaker the credit and benefit of the doubt but the pass was launched into space rather than to a player and the very underrated Keinhorst made it into a great pass by tracking the trajectory and running onto it at a great angle and pace. If Hardaker looked to pass more often rather than always trying to crash through the man and so die with the ball he would become a much better player.

Re: Hull FC.... : Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:18 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

There are always exceptions to every rule! I give Hardaker the credit and benefit of the doubt but the pass was launched into space rather than to a player and the very underrated Keinhorst made it into a great pass by tracking the trajectory and running onto it at a great angle and pace. If Hardaker looked to pass more often rather than always trying to crash through the man and so die with the ball he would become a much better player.

I agree in general re Hardaker, though like Sutcliffe who receives similar criticism, they've rarely had many good options to pass to. On this occasion he did thanks to some good support running from the left hand side.

On a related note I think Keinhorst is really proving his worth. I hope Leeds keep hold of him.

Re: Hull FC.... : Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:14 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote:

There are always exceptions to every rule! I give Hardaker the credit and benefit of the doubt but the pass was launched into space rather than to a player and the very underrated Keinhorst made it into a great pass by tracking the trajectory and running onto it at a great angle and pace. If Hardaker looked to pass more often rather than always trying to crash through the man and so die with the ball he would become a much better player.

I think Hardaker has been trying to add more passing to his game this season, obviously aware of his shortcomings in this area, and our limitations with creative players absent.

Glad to see him trying to improve his game, rather than rest on his laurels, even if it will lead to a few more errors in the short term until it becomes more natural to him

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Hull FC.... : Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:49 pm  

Thing is with Zak he trys to do too much with the ball sometimes if you know what I mean, trying to skin 5 players with pace who now know just how dangerous he is as a running threat but know its odds on that he wont pass so can focus on shutting him down. Instead of letting the ball do the work with a smart pass / offload and keeping defenders guessing and putting doubt into their descision making.

Re: Hull FC.... : Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:08 pm  

Juan Cornetto wrote: Golding has all the attributes to become a big star. He has pace, good hands ability to make clean breaks, is brave and is a heads up attacking player who finds space and holds the ball in two hands. That you are unable to spot these skills is unfortunate as is your belief that looking to make contact is an asset. Attacking back play is all about avoiding contact and seeking space which you seem to equate with being unhappy with contact. He may have some of the attributes you describe but bravery IMO isn't yet consistently among them. Was he avoiding contact to seek space when with his first carry he ran virtually along the try line not making nor seeking to make any forward progress whatsoever (in doing so giving up valuable territory) until after dummying a pass to Hardaker he finally headed upfield surrendered into the Hull defensive line and was driven back around three metres. Joe Vickery deservedly got sacked over a similar looking effort at the KC Stadium with an even more disasterous outcome. Not suggesting the same should happen to Golding, he also made some good determined carries mixed in with the poor ones. I'm hoping he can ditch the half arsed efforts because I agree there could be a player in there worth persevering with but I've yet to see a 1st grade performances where he's consistently brave and it'll remain an issue until he does ..... for me. Juan Cornetto wrote: It is all just opinion of course as was the time you rubbished a very young Owen Farrell. Was that the thread where you said : Juan Cornetto wrote: I am epecially pleased for Stuart Lancaster and hope he gets the job full time. Did you get your wish? How did it work out? You'll have to excuse my RU ignorance but who is this Eddie Jones geezer talking here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... Jones.html Doesn’t sound like he’s one of your experts whose opinion you trust and value at least not with regards to who should have coached England RU in their home World Cup. I imagine this Jones fella disappeared after embarrassing himself with those comments and was never heard of again. Re: Owen Farrell, as I made clear at the time I'd find it difficult to rubbish a player I'd never heard of. Something you appeared to acknowledge when you said: Juan Cornetto wrote: You did not enter the debate to offer an opinion on the issue That was correct I didn't, that fact was established before offering my sum knowledge of Owen Farrell which was that his dad was a good rugby league player. To which you replied: Juan Cornetto wrote: Your opinion of Owen Farrell matters not to me Nor should it as it was a non-opinion based on no knowledge or interest but then why have you held on to it for four years while mis-representing it as my rubbishing a young player.

Juan Cornetto wrote: Golding has all the attributes to become a big star. He has pace, good hands ability to make clean breaks, is brave and is a heads up attacking player who finds space and holds the ball in two hands. That you are unable to spot these skills is unfortunate as is your belief that looking to make contact is an asset. Attacking back play is all about avoiding contact and seeking space which you seem to equate with being unhappy with contact. He may have some of the attributes you describe but bravery IMO isn't yet consistently among them. Was he avoiding contact to seek space when with his first carry he ran virtually along the try line not making nor seeking to make any forward progress whatsoever (in doing so giving up valuable territory) until after dummying a pass to Hardaker he finally headed upfield surrendered into the Hull defensive line and was driven back around three metres. Joe Vickery deservedly got sacked over a similar looking effort at the KC Stadium with an even more disasterous outcome. Not suggesting the same should happen to Golding, he also made some good determined carries mixed in with the poor ones. I'm hoping he can ditch the half arsed efforts because I agree there could be a player in there worth persevering with but I've yet to see a 1st grade performances where he's consistently brave and it'll remain an issue until he does ..... for me. Juan Cornetto wrote: It is all just opinion of course as was the time you rubbished a very young Owen Farrell. Was that the thread where you said : Juan Cornetto wrote: I am epecially pleased for Stuart Lancaster and hope he gets the job full time. Did you get your wish? How did it work out? You'll have to excuse my RU ignorance but who is this Eddie Jones geezer talking here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyu ... Jones.html Doesn’t sound like he’s one of your experts whose opinion you trust and value at least not with regards to who should have coached England RU in their home World Cup. I imagine this Jones fella disappeared after embarrassing himself with those comments and was never heard of again. Re: Owen Farrell, as I made clear at the time I'd find it difficult to rubbish a player I'd never heard of. Something you appeared to acknowledge when you said: Juan Cornetto wrote: You did not enter the debate to offer an opinion on the issue That was correct I didn't, that fact was established before offering my sum knowledge of Owen Farrell which was that his dad was a good rugby league player. To which you replied: Juan Cornetto wrote: Your opinion of Owen Farrell matters not to me Nor should it as it was a non-opinion based on no knowledge or interest but then why have you held on to it for four years while mis-representing it as my rubbishing a young player.

Re: Hull FC.... : Tue Apr 19, 2016 11:44 pm  

You have to beware what you wish for with regard to returning the ball "bravely". I'd rather someone of the physical stature of Golding looked to avoid contact in general. If he runs it back straight into a line of forwards he's running a bigger risk of either knocking on or sustaining injury, especially in conditions like those of Friday night.

Re: Hull FC.... : Wed Apr 20, 2016 12:25 am  

Him wrote:

You have to beware what you wish for with regard to returning the ball "bravely". I'd rather someone of the physical stature of Golding looked to avoid contact in general. If he runs it back straight into a line of forwards he's running a bigger risk of either knocking on or sustaining injury, especially in conditions like those of Friday night.

Yeah I'd agree with that. It's ok for Hall to run it back like a forward because he's built like one, Golding's not but he has more speed and footwork. Got to play to his strengths not Hall or Briscoe's.

Re: Hull FC.... : Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:53 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Yeah I'd agree with that. It's ok for Hall to run it back like a forward because he's built like one, Golding's not but he has more speed and footwork. Got to play to his strengths not Hall or Briscoe's.

that's fine but he needs to find what works for him. On Friday he was driven back almost every carry

Re: Hull FC.... : Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:12 pm  

Him wrote:

You have to beware what you wish for with regard to returning the ball "bravely". I'd rather someone of the physical stature of Golding looked to avoid contact in general. If he runs it back straight into a line of forwards he's running a bigger risk of either knocking on or sustaining injury, especially in conditions like those of Friday night.

And him running sideways like a poor man's Calderwood is achieving what? He should take a leaf out of Handley's book. And lose the scrum cap. He's playing on the wing for Christ's sake!

Re: Hull FC.... : Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:44 pm  

Stevosfalseteeth wrote:

And him running sideways like a poor man's Calderwood is achieving what? He should take a leaf out of Handley's book. And lose the scrum cap. He's playing on the wing for Christ's sake!

Oh dear.

Not just the false teeth. Someone seems to have the brain as well.