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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:24 am  
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Tough night yesterday and a reality check on where we are as a squad. This year has been really hard and so badly disrupted with injuries its difficult to make a clear judgement on coaching or players especially ones playing bust or out of position.
Our recruitment for next year with hopefully a prop and potentially a winger to come in looks to be in the correct place to move us to the next level.
Heres a few of my end of school report observations.
1. Fix the hooker issue as its the primary issue for our stalling attacking platform. For all his industry Dwyer has to go. Give Leeming a career highlights video of James Roby to study for the winter and integrate Corey Johnson.
2. We must get more minutes and game impact from our marquee players.
3. Don't let Harry Newman become the next Kallum Watkins lost in the centres dreaming of a decent pass constantly running into heavy traffic or tackling all night on the back foot. Fix point 1 will help.
4. We need more pace or thrust in the back 5. Even with the addition of quality halves do any of our existing players bar Newman actually hit the line hard. Be interesting to see how walker returns hopefully a bit stronger. Tom Briscoe has been a great servant but he looks half the player these days.
5. With a decent hooker and a full compliment of halves we need to establish a style of play and a varied kicking game. Both Saints and Catalans have clear styles of playing backboned by key players and have been the best teams this year by a distance. Thats why the youngsters like Morgue and Welsby can flourish as they are coming into an environment where everyone know there job.
Anyway roll on 2022 probably give us a 7 out of 10 this year and a well done for effort but hoping for a big step up in 2022

That’s a fair and reasonable summing up. Full credit to saints they gave us a harsh lesson in rugby league in the first 20 minutes. Quick play the ball and move the ball quickly away from the ruck. Lomax constantly changes the point and direction of attack, coupled with an aggressive defence we were on the back foot all night. Looking at the saints line up it’s hard to find a weak link. Sadly it’s not the case for us.
Saints have done a remarkable job of assembling a decent team after the Cunningham debacle. Think agar has done a good job in difficult circumstances. Next season we should have the basis for a decent squad, hopefully some of the failures may be shown the door. Hope saints win the final chiefly because I like the style of rugby they play.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:44 am  
Saints look very very well coached. I’m looking forward to the grand final, it should be a cracker. The best two sides in the comp by plenty.

We’ve a lot of work to do to get to their level but we’re on the right tracks. We’ve bought well for next year but still a top player short especially outwide. Overall Agar deserves a pat on the back imo for this season.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:26 am  
rollin thunder wrote:
This is over already, how many tackles had twatavano missed on Walmsley, really hope he gets “home sick” because for a Marquee player he’s f**king c**p

Totally agree, the description "enforcer" should never be used with him.
Lets have a whip round for a one way ticket home.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:31 am  
Went last night. Dissapointing result, dissapointing performance, but you have to acknowledge a brilliant and ruthless performance from a Saints team who are right up with great English sides I've watched since I've been following the game. We will be stronger next year and the strength in depth at half will make a huge difference. I expect to see the journeyman who still make our seventeen out competed by new or younger players in 2022. Watching Roby last night painfully reinforced just why we need Corey Johnson to be a success. Fingers crossed that will happen. All things considered it's been a good year and just getting into grounds for games like last nights has been the highlight for me.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:47 am  
We were blown away last night, no different to what happened a couple of weeks ago.
Some on here were saying history wouldn’t repeat itself, well it did. Too many mistakes, we had ideas in attack and they walked through us like a hot knife through butter.
We need some serious surgery to get to the level of Saints and Catalans. No excuses other than we ain’t anywhere near good enough.
We need a top quality coach not the existing coaching team.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:10 am  
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That game against us last week gave a false impression of how Leeds were shaping up going in to tonight IMO. We are an absolute joke and it was basically a bounce of the ball which stopped it finishing 0-0 (I’m presuming the ball isn’t in the same spot at 6-0 to go 8-0) I think a lot of people felt it was an impressive result but I certainly didn’t think it was an impressive performance, simply because of how dire we are.

Every side in this league really needs to wake up. Saints are head and shoulders above everyone and aren’t even as good as they were when Holbrook left. That means teams have not progressed at all and if anything, they’ve actually gone backwards. The lack of intensity in teams play is astonishing. It’s a given that you should be supremely fit and should be able to go hell for leather for 80 mins. Teams looks so shocked by Saints intensity.

I was certainly not getting carried away with our performance at your place. Bald men fighting over a comb springs to mind. However we battled and fought for a well deserved victory . So I was pleased with that. Must admit the Wigan pack of forwards is the worst Wigan forwards I have ever seen. Just goes to show if you take your eye off the ball (no pun intended) you can soon slip down the pecking order. Saints have obviously put together a superb side . A lesson obviously to be learned that you can still assemble a decent team even under a salary cap. Plus the lure of the big bucks in Australia. Next season looks to be extremely interesting, should imagine Warrington will be in the running, saints look good for another season.
Not certain Catalan can sustain another successful season, hull kr might surprise a few. So us hull and your good selves have to up our game.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:19 am  
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We were blown away last night, no different to what happened a couple of weeks ago.
Some on here were saying history wouldn’t repeat itself, well it did. Too many mistakes, we had ideas in attack and they walked through us like a hot knife through butter.
We need some serious surgery to get to the level of Saints and Catalans. No excuses other than we ain’t anywhere near good enough.
We need a top quality coach not the existing coaching team.

Whilst it’s a huge advantage to have a decent coach if the playing squad isn’t good enough then the coach can only take them so far. Just look at hull ,hodgson was the new messiah. Unfortunately the squad is obviously not good enough so failure was the result . We still have several players not good enough for a top four team. Sadly when confronted with decent opposition they fold.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:36 am  
Lots of spot on analysis on this thread I think.

Is this Saints side that good though? I dunno. I’m not sure they’re even as good as the side Leeds used to beat in the good old days.

I found last night difficult not because I thought we’d win, but because I thought we’d find the focus to at least be competitive.

But again we had silly decisions, poor discipline.. was yelling a bit when T Briscoe’s first-ish tackle resulted in 10 mins in the bin. This is a seasoned professional.

Missed tackle rates from Prior and Zane just not acceptable I’m sorry.

The reality was that we looked, for the second year running, like a knackered old cat that needed to be put to sleep. Next year should be much better, lots of positives going forward but we just have to continue to sign better quality players to support the youth.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:44 am  
4 or 5 players short for me.
prop, if not 2.
quality hooker is a huge must.
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Re: SL GF E | St Helens (A) : Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:48 am  
tad rhino wrote:
4 or 5 players short for me.
prop, if not 2.
quality hooker is a huge must.
winger

Prop. Johnson is our big hope at hooker but he can’t be fully cooked in time for 2022z

Winger could be Tindall but likely we’ll find one either this year or to replace T Briscoe in 2023.

He needs to have a very big season next year to be retained at the club IMO.
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