Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:32 pm  

Sparky1967 wrote:

Curries tackle is ball and all.
Fusitua has his feet planted facing an onrushing defence. The kick hangs in the air. What do you expect Currie to do, pull out.
Fusitua needs to get in the air and force an illegal tackle. Currie then either pulls out or gets red carded.

The difference is this incident happens with the players facing each other, tensed expecting collision.
The Dwyer incident he hits from behind with Widdop not expecting it. He’s got to wrap his arms around like Currie.

I agree both tackles can cause the same injury, but they are the rules.
I’ll put it another way round is Fusitua makes the same tackle on Currie, this board thinks what a great tackle.

Fair explanation.
Not sure Fusitua was that tensed expecting the collision and Dwyers was a split second out.
Widdop holds that pass a split second longer and it`s a fair tackle.
All ifs buts and maybes I suppose.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:33 pm  

There's no ownership on fus to do anything. You make shoulder contact with the head regardless of mitigation and there's a consequence.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:51 pm  

Seth wrote:

There's no ownership on fus to do anything. You make shoulder contact with the head regardless of mitigation and there's a consequence.

I agree there’s no ownership on Fusitua to do anything but then he’s got to expect collision. Currie hits him with everything but his arms are wrapped around him. It’s not a blatant shoulder charge. This leads to grade A (careless) rather than Grade D (blatant- Napa)

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:05 pm  

Does that not carry a ban then? Yeah expect collision around his body. Surely there's due care on the tackler to not hit his heat with anything.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:44 pm  

Seth wrote:

Does that not carry a ban then? Yeah expect collision around his body. Surely there's due care on the tackler to not hit his heat with anything.

Last comment on this.
If your arms make contact between midriff and chest where do you expect the shoulder to be. Not around the players ankles, but between neck and chin.
He got careless verdict Grade A with no matches.
The panel are warning him to go lower or next time expect ban for same grade.
They state it as high contact with no malice.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:51 pm  

Get your angles right and I'd expect the shoulder to make contact in the same area ie not the neck or head. Though knocked out and missing a game through concussion I'd be interested to know if the degree of injury sustained would alter the decision on a potential sending off/ban ie a broken jaw from the careless contact. Doesnt make sense to me you're either culpable or you're not.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:21 pm  

Seth wrote:

Get your angles right and I'd expect the shoulder to make contact in the same area ie not the neck or head. Though knocked out and missing a game through concussion I'd be interested to know if the degree of injury sustained would alter the decision on a potential sending off/ban ie a broken jaw from the careless contact. Doesnt make sense to me you're either culpable or you're not.

I don’t think it would but don’t quote me.
Dwyer would of got the same ban if Widdop suffered concussion and missed a match. It’s classed as soft contact but still dangerous because his arms don’t wrap round Widdop and he doesn’t see it coming. Would you expect Dwyer to get 4 matches if Widdop say had fell over from his soft contact and broke his arm. It’s all hindsight.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:24 pm  

As difficult as it is because RL is a high paced, high impact and instinct and reactionary related sport but the defender has to have a duty of care and is responsible for the attackers safety.

I genuinely dont think Currie meant to hurt Fusitua i think he meant to wrap him up but his shoulder contacted his head and he is responsible for that.

He shouldve been punished for that i believe.

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:26 pm  

...that hypothetical broken arm would be from a secondary impact though and not as a direct cause. Anyway, we could go on...

Re: SL RD 1 | Warrington Wolves (H) : Tue Feb 15, 2022 8:21 am  

Curries tackle was just a brutal , but brilliant tackle.
Bentleys tackle should just have been a penalty.
Nothing in Dwyers! Games are getting ruined by over zealous rules…..