mathers still is a good player i remember people on here saying he was a shoe-in international not so many years ago. like others say his confidence is shot, for most of his time there the wigan front up defence has been non existant. imo he was the mom in the 2004 grand final he was outstanding that night along with many others but (from my seat in the gods at ot) he was everywhere and took everything bradford threw at him, i'd hazard a guess that 2 knee reconstuctions haven't done him any favours either in terms of agility and speed (as he was never the quickest anyway).

Mathers, Walker, Calderwood, Scruton at the moment

anymore?

Stick a fork in Richie Mathers - he's done.

Looked good in a dominant Leeds side, hasn't looked a shadow of that player anywhere else since.

His pace, balance and footwork (or lack of) led to him being a "grabby" tackler with a tendency to go high at the best of times. That hasn't improved from what I saw of him at Wigan last year, and indeed has deteriorated given the injuries he's had.

He'd be competing with Jones-Bishop for third choice full-back when everyone is fit. The only justification I could see for signing him would be if Leeds wanted to use him as cover in the half-backs.

What are we talking here, ex Leeds Academy still playing elsewhere in SL?

How about:

Garreth Carvell, Danny Ward, Nick Fozzard, Terry Newton, Adrian Morley and Gareth Raynor.

If it's not a personal question does Ewan Dowes get in by the back door?

First pro club, played in the Leeds Academy and made his first grade debut for Leeds.

I'd say he's more entitled to use the front door than Raynor, who only came to the club in his early 20s and never played in the first team IMO.

No. He's just shat.

I'm pretty sure Raynor played first team. Not much, in fact probably only once, but still.

I think I remember him scoring against Hull on sky?

Agree that he seems low on confidence but I can't imagine a situation that would pile more pressure on him than a return to Leeds. Also, I don't see much in his game now that would justify us re-signing him.

Ewan Dowes at Leeds:

Played 1 + 10 (Leeds Won 6, Lost 5)

Gareth Raynor at Leeds:

Played 0 + 3 + 1 (NPS) (Leeds Won 4, Lost 0)

Neither registered a point but Raynor had a telling contribution with the boot in a Sky televised game against ?

Wigan or Cas?

Thats the one I am thinking about, was it not Hull?

Cas maybe?