: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:44 pm  

roo wrote:

I fail to understand should Baily have crouched down to bring his shoulder in line with Mary's chest? when you consider that Bailey did not in fact tackle at all he just stood there and let Mary run into him. If Mary insists on head butting Baileys shoulder (which effectivly is what he did, look at the video Bailey did not move into the tackle) whats the problem.

Cool, open season on anyone below five feet ten.

Why should tacklers have to bother lowing their arms when they can just swing them at shoulder height and hit whatever part of the body or head happens to be at that level?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:47 pm  

if you are 5ft 10 then don't run into people leading with your head?

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:50 pm  

roo wrote:

if you are 5ft 10 then don't run into people leading with your head?

I don't know if you've noticed, but the human head does tend to be in a fairly fixed position atop the shoulders. It doesn't move from there unless forcibly assisted.

The duty of care lies with the tackler to ensure he makes contact below the neck.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:50 pm  

roo wrote:

if you are 5ft 10 then don't run into people leading with your head?

Robbie Burrow take note!

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:57 pm  

I'm really having a problem here. If you go into a tackle (the expression means making a movementnt to-wards the tackled player) then of course you should not contact the head. However if a player insists on running into you and you DO NOT MOVE then the responsiblity must be on the tacklee (is that a word?) . If bailey had swung an arm or raised an elbow then yes he would be at fault seeing as he did neither then I'm sorry but no sympath.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:01 pm  

roo wrote:

I'm really having a problem here. If you go into a tackle (the expression means making a movementnt to-wards the tackled player) then of course you should not contact the head. However if a player insists on running into you and you DO NOT MOVE then the responsiblity must be on the tacklee (is that a word?) . If bailey had swung an arm or raised an elbow then yes he would be at fault seeing as he did neither then I'm sorry but no sympath.

Right, so I take the ball up at first receiver and run straight at you. It's my responsibility as the ball carrier to ensure that I put my head in a place where you can't hit it if you stand still?

I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:01 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

Give Fa'asavalu his due, he's about the only person connected with St Helens who hasn't complained about it.

he tried to but it just came out as "mmmmmmm hmmmmmm hmmmmm mmmmmmm hmmmmm".

His jaw is wired.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:06 pm  

expatrhino wrote:

What did he say? Can't watch it all the way over here.

tez said its the ball carrying forwards choice what line he runs. does he step left? does he step right, does he just run the line. tez said he thought maurie tried to run right over bailey and targeted bailey with his run. bailey stood his ground didnt jump up turned to the side and used his shoulder to stop the runner which is all within the laws of the game. bailey took up the challenge maurie laid down with his run and mauire can off second best. tez said what should bailey have done? got out of the way or made a submisive tackle. its a tough game and all the players no the score if your flying in at full pelt.

ps i dont think your from cronulla

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:10 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Right, so I take the ball up at first receiver and run straight at you. It's my responsibility as the ball carrier to ensure that I put my head in a place where you can't hit it if you stand still?

I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous.

Yes. I agree that is ludicrous. My point is that Bailey didn't do anything IMO that was intentional, reckless or careless. It was an accident that he got hit in the head. Just like when Burrow got hit in the head in the same game.

: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:10 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Right, so I take the ball up at first receiver and run straight at you. It's my responsibility as the ball carrier to ensure that I put my head in a place where you can't hit it if you stand still?

I'm sorry, but that's ludicrous.

yes, you have a duty of care to protect yourself,

maurie didnt brace himself for impact, thats his problem

it cant be a high tackle when your arms are by your side, thats just crazy,