: Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:04 pm  

LS16_Rhino wrote:

Extended cup run, crappy weather and the moon was in the wrong house.

Oh, and according to one particular Saints fan (from Stirlingshire I believe) – simply a mystery.

I remember toyah well maybe they could hire "poirot" this year to solve it!!

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:16 pm  

Ben Westwood looks like an East End villain from the Sweeney.

Not a 'Mr Big' or anything like that, a small time blagger and hardman. He's done a few years in the Scrubs, taking a few knocks, and dished out a few. When a ref tells him off, I always want him to say 'Look guv, i swear on my old muvver's grave I ain't done it!'.

: Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:19 pm  

gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:

Ben Westwood looks like an East End villain from the Sweeney.

Not a 'Mr Big' or anything like that, a small time blagger and hardman. He's done a few years in the Scrubs, taking a few knocks, and dished out a few. When a ref tells him off, I always want him to say 'Look guv, i swear on my old muvver's grave I ain't done it!'.

Re: Hot Wired : Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:06 pm  

DoubleAone wrote:

Make your mind up Dave.......

If Wigans forwards were so dominant...(but couldnt sustain it ) then presumably the Wires pack were beaten up...

How did the Wires halves then wrest domination away without this magical platform and utterly inspire the team to effectively destroy Wigan ( and their dominant pack )

Granted after the injury the Wire took their foot off the gas briefly and with Gansons help made Wigan look good but with inspirational play from ..guess who.... the ship was balanced again and victory assured.

You are not reading what I am posting - the ebb and flow of the game was dictated by which set of forwards had the balance of power - the halves can only operate if the forwards have some momentum end of.

Halves cannot consistently score from within their own 30/40 metres - they need to be inside the opposition 30 to do real damage on a regular basis - how do they get there - through their forwards - it is not rocket science!!!!

Re: Hot Wired : Sun Aug 09, 2009 7:23 am  

Serge A. Storms wrote:

You are not reading what I am posting - the ebb and flow of the game was dictated by which set of forwards had the balance of power - the halves can only operate if the forwards have some momentum end of.

I am trying Dave believe me I am but its very difficult. It would help if you could be a bit more consistant...

At one stage you speak of a simple forward dominance and allude to a very simple "truth" that once a set of forwards establish this dominance then the halves can be effective and victory is assured.

Thank God I rarley see games of this type. They tend to be the ones that are a total mismatch usually cup ties betweeen top tier and lower league sides or where one side may be hampered with injuries to key players.

For some reason they are also very boring.

Now you speak of an ebb and flow and forwards having "some" momentum.....

Give me these more interesting games like the Leeds V Wires game
and yesterdays game which was far more intriguing and complex than you would have us believe......

where the half backs of Leeds and Warrington hadnt read your thesis on the game and they established momentum for their teams and took away the oppostions momentum..... which must have been without the aid of their beaten pack by your logic.

Serge A. Storms wrote:

Halves cannot consistently score from within their own 30/40 metres - they need to be inside the opposition 30 to do real damage on a regular basis - how do they get there - through their forwards - it is not rocket science!!!!

Far to simplistic a theory Dave.....

It takes no account of a good long kicking game not usually a task taken on by the front row nor does it take account of discipline/penalty counts or the forced and unforced errors made by the opposition.

Teams establish field position by a huge variety of means not simply through the pack trundling down the pitch...unless your watching the Union game

Re: Hot Wired : Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:27 am  

DoubleAone wrote:

I am trying Dave believe me I am but its very difficult. It would help if you could be a bit more consistant...

At one stage you speak of a simple forward dominance and allude to a very simple "truth" that once a set of forwards establish this dominance then the halves can be effective and victory is assured.

Thank God I rarley see games of this type. They tend to be the ones that are a total mismatch usually cup ties betweeen top tier and lower league sides or where one side may be hampered with injuries to key players.

For some reason they are also very boring.

Now you speak of an ebb and flow and forwards having "some" momentum.....

Give me these more interesting games like the Leeds V Wires game
and yesterdays game which was far more intriguing and complex than you would have us believe......

where the half backs of Leeds and Warrington hadnt read your thesis on the game and they established momentum for their teams and took away the oppostions momentum..... which must have been without the aid of their beaten pack by your logic.



Far to simplistic a theory Dave.....

It takes no account of a good long kicking game not usually a task taken on by the front row nor does it take account of discipline/penalty counts or the forced and unforced errors made by the opposition.

Teams establish field position by a huge variety of means not simply through the pack trundling down the pitch...unless your watching the Union game

In union the kick is the only way to make ground - that sets up a set play 50 metres down field you are never going to get a maul to go 50 metres

I have always been consistent in the views expressed in this thread - so as their no misunderstanding

In the first 20 minutes Coley and Prescott dominated there opposites and Wigan were 8-0 up and you never saw the Warrington half backs - at that point Noble took them off and replaced them Fielden and Feka - at that point the Warrington forwards took control giving Monaghan especially the momentum to attack Feka especially - what happens Warrington score loads of points. This continues until half time. In the first 20 minutes of the 2nd half Wigan's forwards get on top and surprise, surprise the start scoring a shed load and messers Briers and Monaghan are nowhere to be seen.

I will say it again no half back will dominate a game behind a pack that cannot make ground it simply will not happen. Yes the half backs can have a big influence in a game but not unless their forwards have an equally big influence.

On of the reasons Leeds lack any kind of attacking fluidity this season is the inability of the forwards to lay any kind of platform for them to operate - it is very difficult to consistently score from pieces of individual brilliance from within your own 40.

You will see more of this tactic in the play offs - teams will kick deep to Leeds regularly because they know the forwards will be unlikely to be to take the forward to any kind of attacking position which will leave the half backs in their 30/40 kicking straight to the opposition FB/winger.

: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:25 am  

Thank god I'm not going to Wembley is all I can say.

A day in London surrounded by the anti social behaviour of several thousand Warrington fans and their hangers on intent only on getting p!ssed, no thanks.

: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:30 am  

G1 wrote:

All genuine Leeds fans.

Saints having the extra fixture is the best thing we could hope for.

Extra time would be good also.

: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:32 am  

gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:

Ben Westwood looks like an East End villain from the Sweeney.

Not a 'Mr Big' or anything like that, a small time blagger and hardman. He's done a few years in the Scrubs, taking a few knocks, and dished out a few. When a ref tells him off, I always want him to say 'Look guv, i swear on my old muvver's grave I ain't done it!'.

: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:42 am  

gulfcoast_highwayman wrote:

Ben Westwood looks like an East End villain from the Sweeney.

Not a 'Mr Big' or anything like that, a small time blagger and hardman. He's done a few years in the Scrubs, taking a few knocks, and dished out a few. When a ref tells him off, I always want him to say 'Look guv, i swear on my old muvver's grave I ain't done it!'.

In an Arthur Mullard accent?