Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:32 pm  

More info on the Johns incident.. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5878945387

More info on the Johns incident.. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 5878945387

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:35 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

Yer in a minefield here mate!

Ah but what the he'll mate I have my heart on my sleeve regarding this!!!

bring it on!!!

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:37 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

We're pointing and laughing at your hissy fit, you'd run Veruca Salt into a close second place in a foot stomping competition,

If you can point out exactly what i said, which you interpreted as a hissy fit i'd appreciate it...im very confused

sgtwilko wrote:

no I was been diplomatic! This is a very touchy subject to debate. I have come across it before! But you seem like on of those people I had to debate before!

Lower your swastika to half mast and try and work out for yourself what johns did wrong!

Im not sure what you are implying when you say 'you seem like one of those people i had to debate before.' Care to elaborate?
You werent being diplomatic, you said someone else was wrong because they agreed with the general consensus of the definition of racism (i.e. they agree with the likes of the national curriculum, and oed), rather than agreeing with the definition of racism you were taught. You shouldnt have stated this, end of story, im not sure why you are trying to make it into an argument.

Wtf? do you fancy explaining why you have implied i am a racist, simply for asking what it was that Johns said? I really think you have got me wrong. I've not said anything that could even be interpreted as being racist.

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:45 pm  

Widnes 'till i die wrote:

If you can point out exactly what i said, which you interpreted as a hissy fit i'd appreciate it...im very confused

Im not sure what you are implying when you say 'you seem like one of those people i had to debate before.' Care to elaborate?
You werent being diplomatic, you said someone else was wrong because they agreed with the general consensus of the definition of racism (i.e. they agree with the likes of the national curriculum, and oed), rather than agreeing with the definition of racism you were taught. You shouldnt have stated this, end of story, im not sure why you are trying to make it into an argument.

Wtf? do you fancy explaining why you have implied i am a racist, simply for asking what it was that Johns said? I really think you have got me wrong. I've not said anything that could even be interpreted as being racist.

the fact that you use the national curriculum as some kind of bench mark says it all! have you any idea? Your are obviously a true believer! my word where do I start with a person like you?????

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:51 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

Ah but what the he'll mate I have my heart on my sleeve regarding this!!!

bring it on!!!

how can you have your heart on your sleeve when all you have done is trot out social service guidelines as to what they consider to be racism and what is xenophobia?

you seem to want to make yourself a martyr for the cause, when there are many many many more pertinent examples worth citing, like timana tahu's and greg inglis' reactions to andrew johns racist behaviour.

to bring this thread back to the topic you wanted to discuss this morning, why do you feel that racism/casual racism/socialised racism is more wide spread in australia than the UK, the US, mainland Europe or most other nations?

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:07 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

the fact that you use the national curriculum as some kind of bench mark says it all! have you any idea? Your are obviously a true believer! my word where do I start with a person like you?????

So let me get this right, WTID quotes from the the national curriculum and the OED on their definition of racism and you call him some kind of nazi.
You on the other hand say it's ok for people of ethnic minorities to say what they like because the social service department you worked in was in an ethnic stronghold.

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:30 pm  

sgtwilko wrote: the fact that you use the national curriculum as some kind of bench mark says it all! have you any idea? Your are obviously a true believer! my word where do I start with a person like you????? You are aware the definitions used in the national curriculum arent just dreamt up by someone in whitehall, they generally use official definitions (for example all definitions from used in the national curriculum for PE are from the W.H.O). Anyway, this is irrelevant, the national curriculum wasnt the only source i quoted, i aslo quoted the OED, i assume you ignored this fact in a blatant attempt by you to detract away from the fact that you cannot defend your position. Where do you start? well you could start by answering my questions. You seem to either be an idiot, or to be purposely ignoring my questions(i presume this is the case, as you know you are wrong, but dont have the balls to admit it) so i'll make it easy for you. 1) Why do you feel you are qualified to call someone wrong, because they agree with the definition of racism used by the the U.N., the Oxford English Dictionary, The European Parliament, and the vast majority of the public? Do you accept that you were wrong to do this? 2) Can you please justify why you responded to a post of mine, which wasnt racist in the slightest, by calling me a racist? (im glad some of the other posters on here have seen right through you, and haven't fallen for your bull$hit tactics of dodging my questions, and calling me a racist, in response to a post which wasnt at all couldnt at all be interpreted (by a rational person) as racist)

sgtwilko wrote: the fact that you use the national curriculum as some kind of bench mark says it all! have you any idea? Your are obviously a true believer! my word where do I start with a person like you????? You are aware the definitions used in the national curriculum arent just dreamt up by someone in whitehall, they generally use official definitions (for example all definitions from used in the national curriculum for PE are from the W.H.O). Anyway, this is irrelevant, the national curriculum wasnt the only source i quoted, i aslo quoted the OED, i assume you ignored this fact in a blatant attempt by you to detract away from the fact that you cannot defend your position. Where do you start? well you could start by answering my questions. You seem to either be an idiot, or to be purposely ignoring my questions(i presume this is the case, as you know you are wrong, but dont have the balls to admit it) so i'll make it easy for you. 1) Why do you feel you are qualified to call someone wrong, because they agree with the definition of racism used by the the U.N., the Oxford English Dictionary, The European Parliament, and the vast majority of the public? Do you accept that you were wrong to do this? 2) Can you please justify why you responded to a post of mine, which wasnt racist in the slightest, by calling me a racist? (im glad some of the other posters on here have seen right through you, and haven't fallen for your bull$hit tactics of dodging my questions, and calling me a racist, in response to a post which wasnt at all couldnt at all be interpreted (by a rational person) as racist)

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:07 pm  

J O N N Y wrote:

how can you have your heart on your sleeve when all you have done is trot out social service guidelines as to what they consider to be racism and what is xenophobia?

you seem to want to make yourself a martyr for the cause, when there are many many many more pertinent examples worth citing, like timana tahu's and greg inglis' reactions to andrew johns racist behaviour.

to bring this thread back to the topic you wanted to discuss this morning, why do you feel that racism/casual racism/socialised racism is more wide spread in australia than the UK, the US, mainland Europe or most other nations?

I don't! You have grouped various points of view I have given and tried to role them into one. Why do you need such a vast subject pinning down? I am againast racsim on all levels! I'm not sure what your angle is?

I am distgusted by racism! If you want to mock me for this with my comment then do so! the reason why I question the county in question is that it is direct to the sport that 99.99% of topic Discussed on these boards is about!
I'm really not sure why you have such a problem with me or the subject?

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:20 pm  

Bubbashrimp wrote:

So let me get this right, WTID quotes from the the national curriculum and the OED on their definition of racism and you call him some kind of nazi.
You on the other hand say it's ok for people of ethnic minorities to say what they like because the social service department you worked in was in an ethnic stronghold.

Where did I say it was ok? I didn't! I quoted what I was taught! I believe it because it was from people who have lived under oppression! Why would they lie? Please tell me?If you don't agree or don't like? that's fine.

I didn't like the party line the poster was peddeling! It was all too familiar!

There is defo a common feal to these comments. A reluctance I find compelling

Re: Aussies at it again! : Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:22 pm  

sgtwilko wrote:

I don't! You have grouped various points of view I have given and tried to role them into one. Why do you need such a vast subject pinning down? I am againast racsim on all levels! I'm not sure what your angle is?

I am distgusted by racism! If you want to mock me for this with my comment then do so! the reason why I question the county in question is that it is direct to the sport that 99.99% of topic Discussed on these boards is about!
I'm really not sure why you have such a problem with me or the subject?

my point was that racism exists everywhere, not just in Australia as the thread title suggests. and that was the basis of my initial reply.

i started by asking why you thought that casual racism was something that was exclusive to Australia. to balance this i offered an example of my own experience (emile heskey).

you then accused me of being part of the problem, which i took exception to.

you then accussed someone else of being a nazi because they challenged your conception of racism, whilst offering their own, which several people took exception to.

i then tried to bring the topic back to the beginning by arguing that the racism you had highlighted (timanu tahus reaction to andrew johns racially abusing greg inglis) happens in england.

this thread literally has gone nowhere, which is a shame as you are clearly very passionate about the subject. however your over zealousness to demonstarte your anti-racist stance has hindered the debate, or lack there of.

to be honest we probably share very similar viewws, but it is the way you choose to offer these views that im currently having a problem with.