Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:27 pm  

ArthurClues wrote:

It was a 3 and a half year contract, I think.

It was and he is now a year into it.

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 12:41 pm  

Zoo Zoo Boom wrote:

The club is in the entertainment business - something fans seem to forget - this is not life or death its a game meant to be a form of relaxation/deflection for the hum drum of everyday work/home life.

As such the club has done very well to build up the largest social media audience of any rugby club in the world. It needs to use that opportunity to communicate effectively with its customers.

That for me is not a grovelling apology but better information as what is driving these terrible performances and an understanding of Smith's coaching ethos. Smith needs to engage with the clubs customers in explaining how his radical style with in the end yield results. He is a poor communicator at the best of times - out right rude at the worst.

Customers need to a reason to keep spending the money - what good is happening what is over the horizon.

What they don't need is - the only communication they get from the club is buy this new shirt we have released - only the 5th this season.

All true.

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:15 pm  

tad rhino wrote:

since when do contracts mean anything? pardew had a way longer one at Newcastle and got sacked. you only get one years salary as compensation no matter how long you have.
the question is do you trust him to oversee a major recruitment drive and take the club forward.
the answer at the moment is a resounding no

This is wrong. If you sack a manager the contract needs to be paid in full (unless it’s GM) if compensation cannot be agreed. If compensation cannot be agreed by both parties then the manager remains on the payroll for the length of his contract

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:19 pm  

ant1 wrote:

Comparing Smith with Powell is pure nonsense. Powell experienced SL coach v inexperienced novice coach who did the job with a Sunday league team.

Ill be honest, I still don't rate Powell.

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:56 pm  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:

This is wrong. If you sack a manager the contract needs to be paid in full (unless it’s GM) if compensation cannot be agreed. If compensation cannot be agreed by both parties then the manager remains on the payroll for the length of his contract

Under Uk employment law anybody can be sacked within their first 2 years of employment. Uk workers have ltd rights for first 2 years. GH could sack smith tomorrow due to under performance with as little as one weeks notice, maybe a month at best, Smith would not have a leg to stand on.

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:25 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

Under Uk employment law anybody can be sacked within their first 2 years of employment. Uk workers have ltd rights for first 2 years. GH could sack smith tomorrow due to under performance with as little as one weeks notice, maybe a month at best, Smith would not have a leg to stand on.

He could you’re right, but then we’d end up with Dave Hockaday as coach…

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 6:55 pm  

only if a cokehead was in charge....

maybe I'm not a liar after all

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:12 pm  

YosemiteSam wrote:

I didn't compare the two coaches. I likened the situation we find ourselves in to that faced by Wire last season. Them pulling the trigger would have clearly meant a very different season this year. Their Board backed their appointment decision. Will ours do the same? To not do so would have wide reaching implications right to the top of the club.

As for nonsense - you mean you disagree with me, which is fine. It's an opinion forum after all.

We really need to stop using Warrington and Powell as a comparison benchmark.
Neither of them win anything!

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:36 pm  

Simmo71 wrote:

We really need to stop using Warrington and Powell as a comparison benchmark.
Neither of them win anything!

Both are having a markedly better season than last. I'm not comparing absolute results, rather results relative to last year. Would we not be happy with the same, giving us something to build on?

Re: Where do we go from here : Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:35 pm  

rollin thunder wrote:

Under Uk employment law anybody can be sacked within their first 2 years of employment. Uk workers have ltd rights for first 2 years. GH could sack smith tomorrow due to under performance with as little as one weeks notice, maybe a month at best, Smith would not have a leg to stand on.

I think sacking is different to redundancy. For redundancy the role has to go, not the person. Especially if you're on a short term (2 year) contract then as long as you are turning up and doing your job compensation has to be paid unless there is something in the contract that says otherwise.

I hope they don't sack him yet (even though his selection has confused me at times) as I'd like to see his team running put next season. Honestly believe recruitment and salary cap management has been our biggest issue.