Re: James Segeyaro : Mon Nov 28, 2016 10:56 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Wow, while I agree that Segeyaro is perhaps not a world beater, I find it hard to believe anyone who watches and understands the game believes a hookers job is just to 'pick it up and pass'

You have to pass accurately and with speed, organise, be enough of a threat to tie in markers, as well as a mobile tackler in the middle capable of tackling the big boys. They also pretty much touch the ball ever play.

In my opinion it is the position that requires the most well rounded player on the pitch, and is very close to being the most important in the modern game.

You only have to ask forwards what a difference a hooker makes, or look at the poor service when Watkins got in at dummy half in the recent England game, or look at what a difference it made to Leeds last year.

A good hooker is vital.

Yes I have slightly over simplified the ' Art ' , but again do feel it has been elevated to ' God ' like status by Mr Stephenson , maybe we won't see the MOM any longer constantly being given to the winning teams 9

To me after watching Mr Segeyaro , the main skill seems to be passing the ball forward , or maybe that's just a Leeds thing

Re: James Segeyaro : Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:37 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Surely Leeds being the fantastic developer of players we are led to believe by some of your fans you must have a decent prospect , they might just need a bit of faith shown in them

If I was the next in line at the Rhinos , I'd be pretty disappointed at the stuff I'm reading on here

When the alleged 'best run club in SL' finds itself in the pickle that it's in on so many fronts, the only conclusion worth its salt is that the future of the game in this country is bleak.

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:09 am  

I agree its about time that SL clubs took a stand re contracts. Segeyaro and Solomona would never have signed for either Leeds or Cas without long-term contracts. Those contracts provide income security which otherwise wouldn't exist, and which players in negotiations rightly value. SL cannot allow these contracts to become one-sided totally in favour of players.

Otherwise we might as well move to NBL (Aussie basketball) style contracts, all of which have standard opt out clauses in the event players get offers from the NBA or Europe (in effect any offer to play anywhere else where the pay is higher). That leads to players jumping ship mid season as soon as they seem to be going well and the integrity of the sport as a whole suffers hugely.

SL has to get agreement from the NRL to support this as well. They have the same problem with RU - it looks like Radrada is going to run away to France mid-contract with the Eels, but he's just the latest and won't be the last, particularly players with RU backgrounds.

If the sport as a whole introduced a rule that players walking out on contracts could not re-sign with any club (without the permission of the club they left - e.g. Sandow or if they receive a satisfactory fee) for the remaining duration of the contract, at least you'd stop our sport (and SL in particular) acting as a safety blanket. It won't stop defections, but if Solomona turns out to be more Lee Smith than Jason Robinson in RU, we as a sport should be comfortable with him sitting on the sidelines until his Cas contract expires.

[Frosties.]

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:07 am  

Jamie Soward has spoken up about Segeyaro on Twitter

My heart goes out to @chicko9 and the situation. Family is important to my bra, he is trying to come back Home would hate to see that stopped.
I can hear everyone's point about contract being signed. The kid has been honest and misses Home. Would rather him tell truth and come home
If a player tells the truth and wants to come Home why can't we accept it? Family means a lot to him and he misses home. Least his honest.
A club can make a decision at any time to help move a player on. The player has expressed how much he misses home. Didn't play up or get in
Trouble just simply misses his family and wants to come back home. We are angry at a guy wanting to come home. #really
Again respect all opinions but i mean be real. He has said he misses Home he misses his family. You all would do the same thing.
It's not always about the money or lining the pockets. Family means everything to this kid and is missing them. He wants to be at home.
We will all have to wait and see. I hope I am watching play his best footy next year. He is so good can't wait to watch him play again.

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:18 am  

Get the violins out.

He's right on one point though, the club can decide at anytime when to let a player move on.....and they're saying now isn't that time so deal with it. Oh I forgot the guy likes to be outdoors and do things like fishing and camping......because obviously you can't do those things in Yorkshire.

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 7:49 am  

Blimey, at this rate Leeds fans will be supporting Wigan in the WCC if Segeyaro is playing for Cronulla

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:06 am  

William Eve wrote:

Blimey, at this rate Leeds fans will be supporting Wigan in the WCC if Segeyaro is playing for Cronulla

Always want the English team to win regardless, did so the previous years when Wigan played so that's pi$$ed on that particular bonfire Billy Boy

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 8:44 am  

William Eve wrote:

Blimey, at this rate Leeds fans will be supporting Wigan in the WCC if Segeyaro is playing for Cronulla

Hmm.. that scenario would make it difficult to support either.

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:07 am  

If he missed home and family so much why sigh a two year deal ?.
It's no coincidence that as soon as an NRL team have the cash, he's gone. Using Leeds as a safety net and his family to justify rubbish behaviour .

If he wants gone, so be it. Let him return to Australia but not play until we receive compensation . Sandow, Solomona and Segeyaro pulling the same / similar trick at the same time shows this is an issue that needs a fixed but fair response from SL to stop this happening

Re: James Segeyaro : Tue Nov 29, 2016 9:44 am  

It's a very tough position to be in, if stick to guns and dint release him and he returns will he be giving 100% or will he be sat on the touch line getting paid, either one is not a great prospect and one Leeds wire n cas would jot want either way.

Players move and in general the contracts they sign are not wort the paper They arewritten on!! I feel the manner in which the 3 have left is disgraceful when all 3 clubs could have agreed a cash fee for releasing the players. Ru teams have the cash to pay a transfer fee as do the nrl teams. If the players has conducted them selves with dignity and tries to ensure that their clubs received somthing for their departure then it would have been a whole lot easier to stomach!


One thing to look at is how our contracts are written up and whts inclouded in them, clubs can add in other clauses covering things like this in the future??