Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:42 pm  

Agar talked about moving on from former glories and creating their own identity. Even if they believe in that philosophy having Sinfield, JJB, Peacock, Walker and Burrow around the place everyday isnt going to allow that to happen. Agar seems knowledgable but all the inspiration of a teapot. Hate to say it but sinfield looks and sounds lost. Can see another tearing up of the plan mid to late season again.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:38 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

Very few people actually know what happened with Furner, but JJB, Sinny, GH and Furner are some of them...

Agreed. What struck as weird was we had won 3/6 when he was sacked.
However, it’s all done now. Since then though we have been largely treading water. Ryan Carr appeared to have a very positive impact and certainly did at Fev. I don’t get the current structure having Webster giving part time impact and not personally convinced what fresh perspective Walker and JJB can currently add.
My personal view is that our head coach budget is still being allocated to pay Furner hence we have got agar in on the cheap and messing about with some part time input.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:42 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

I think the fact they appointed a yes man and a cheap option in Agar instead of replacing Furner with a top class proven coach suggests strongly that the rumours of player power were true.

How do you know he's a yes man?

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:55 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

We put in some excellent performances start of last season, and were unlucky at the time. As the poison in the changing room started to have effect, it got worse and worse. That is the issue Christopher you are just refusing to acknowledge.

It might have been Furner still would have failed, but it doesn’t change the situation that the management backed the wrong horse at the time to see. With the same backing Agar got, we certainly would have been in a better shape.

Do you really know there was poison?
By backing Furner that's something we will never know what we do know is Agar kept us up. Whether he can take us further that we will see. I Ddo have my doubts but that is more to do with the poor squad rather than Agar coaching ability.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:17 pm  

christopher wrote:

There seems to be a bit of revisionism creeping in with regards to Furner IMO, we were bloody awful with him as coach, I saw absolutely nothing from him that showed he was a good coach, we were OK in attack but utterly woeful in every other department, yes we may have been carrying some deadwood, but even in this thread people have said a good coach can get players to play above their capabilities, Furner had them playing below their standard, and, it’s not as if Sinfield hasn’t made a whole Load of changes to the playing squad.

People may well think Agar is not up to the job and its a perfectly valid opinion but lets not rose tint Furner’s time here, he was bloody awful

Absolutely spot on Christopher

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:55 pm  

fanstanningley wrote:

Do you really know there was poison?
By backing Furner that's something we will never know what we do know is Agar kept us up. Whether he can take us further that we will see. I Ddo have my doubts but that is more to do with the poor squad rather than Agar coaching ability.

From speaking to the man himself he had falling out with Sinfield and hetherington, and as a result the players. Told a fair few some home truths. Told the board x y z need to go and we need new players was told no money to spend and the players had to stay. Few with noses out of place. Ironically when it was clear we were crap money was found. Granted it’s not an unbiased account I tend to believe it. Building a team on the cheap then forced to pay over the odds for desperation signings like Lui.

All ifs and maybes after round 1 you can tell it’s going to be a fruitless year again just need to improve and build hopefully.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:12 am  

Mark Laurie wrote:

Agreed. What struck as weird was we had won 3/6 when he was sacked.
However, it’s all done now. Since then though we have been largely treading water. Ryan Carr appeared to have a very positive impact and certainly did at Fev. I don’t get the current structure having Webster giving part time impact and not personally convinced what fresh perspective Walker and JJB can currently add.
My personal view is that our head coach budget is still being allocated to pay Furner hence we have got agar in on the cheap and messing about with some part time input.

Just one thing, you say Ryan Carr worked but then the next scentence say you don’t get the structure of part time having impact?

Ryan Carr was part time.

You may be correct in your last statement!

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:18 am  

Ferdy wrote:

From speaking to the man himself he had falling out with Sinfield and hetherington, and as a result the players. Told a fair few some home truths. Told the board x y z need to go and we need new players was told no money to spend and the players had to stay. Few with noses out of place. Ironically when it was clear we were crap money was found. Granted it’s not an unbiased account I tend to believe it. Building a team on the cheap then forced to pay over the odds for desperation signings like Lui.

All ifs and maybes after round 1 you can tell it’s going to be a fruitless year again just need to improve and build hopefully.

You can’t tell anything from round 1 at all, especially a game where we lost a centre and our captain for a huge chunk of the game and our first choice prop was missy, would you have thought saints would get nilled in their second game?

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:19 am  

fanstanningley wrote:

Do you really know there was poison?
By backing Furner that's something we will never know what we do know is Agar kept us up. Whether he can take us further that we will see. I Ddo have my doubts but that is more to do with the poor squad rather than Agar coaching ability.

I do know that he challenged JJB after the Salford game about his attitude and putting on injuries, stating he needed to go, having challenged him the previous weeks. After that game Sinfield and GH were put in a position who they backed, and Furner went.

From that, middle of last season is when I stated on here that we won't appoint a proper coach, and will limp along for JJB to take over when qualified. Its a bit of a coincidence that seems to be happening.

Re: RD 1 | Leeds Rhinos v Hull FC : Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:22 am  

Gotcha wrote:

I do know that he challenged JJB after the Salford game about his attitude and putting on injuries, stating he needed to go, having challenged him the previous weeks. After that game Sinfield and GH were put in a position who they backed, and Furner went.

If that's the case I'm not surprised Furner went