Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:31 am  

Hello chaps. Saints supporter here.
For the record I think Knowles should have got a 1 game ban for the arm pull. It did no damage but it’s not something we want to see in tackles. However, some of the stuff posted on here since Saturday has been mental. Posters wanting Matautia and Welsby banned for perfectly good tackles. Give your heads a wobble. As for us being ‘golden boys’ I’m not sure where this is founded. Like all other teams we have had players banned this year for the pettiest of things. The match review are a mess. SKY hate us. You can hear the disappointment in Clarkes voice whenever we score. We aren’t loved by or get preferential treatment from anyone. Anyway, like I said I think Knowles should have got 1 game.
Some bitterness from a few posters on here though. I thought you would just be chuffed to be back at old trafford after a few crap seasons. How many games did you win this year? 16? 17? You jammie’d a win over Castleford and the week prior beat Huddersfield with the help of Mylers little handstand stunt to get Hill sent off.
In 2008 you weren’t talking about boycotting the sport when Lee Smith had his 4 match ban overturned for kicking a bloke in the head in the semi. So get off your high horses chaps.

See you on Saturday. May the best team win.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:47 am  

Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:

The first time we tackle Lomax we should bend his arm behind his back and dislocate his shoulder. Give away a penalty but take Lomax out of the game, there’s no way they could give anything more than a penalty for that now.

Dislocating someones shoulder like that would be an instant red card and probably 8 game ban so crack on. Lomax would just put it back in place and carry on tearing you to shreds

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:04 am  

I wouldn't have had a huge issue if Knowles hadn't been banned in the first place - I think some of the reaction to the actual tackle has been a bit hysterical. The idea that Knowles actually had some concept of a 'police hold' while in the process of just trying to delay a PTB is hyperbolic nonsense. It also wasn't anything like a chicken wing, no matter how many times its called that.

The appeal process, however, has been a farce and brought the whole process into disrepute (if more were needed after the ridiculous banathon this year). Utterly ridiculous that they even heard a second appeal after an unsuccessful one.

For me Welsby's was worse, and the sort of tackle the sport needs to get rid of. Hits to the head are not acceptable any more. Calling it a 'great tackle' is stupid. Just as shoulder charges were considered by some to be great tackles when they were nothing of the sort. Uncontrolled tackles like that will lead to injuries as often as they don't.

Regardless, I hope this episode leads to the MRP being completely reset for next season. I'd frankly be stunned if it wasn't.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:05 am  

fishy3005 wrote:

Hello chaps. Saints supporter here.
For the record I think Knowles should have got a 1 game ban for the arm pull. It did no damage but it’s not something we want to see in tackles. However, some of the stuff posted on here since Saturday has been mental. Posters wanting Matautia and Welsby banned for perfectly good tackles. Give your heads a wobble. As for us being ‘golden boys’ I’m not sure where this is founded. Like all other teams we have had players banned this year for the pettiest of things. The match review are a mess. SKY hate us. You can hear the disappointment in Clarkes voice whenever we score. We aren’t loved by or get preferential treatment from anyone. Anyway, like I said I think Knowles should have got 1 game.
Some bitterness from a few posters on here though. I thought you would just be chuffed to be back at old trafford after a few crap seasons. How many games did you win this year? 16? 17? You jammie’d a win over Castleford and the week prior beat Huddersfield with the help of Mylers little handstand stunt to get Hill sent off.
In 2008 you weren’t talking about boycotting the sport when Lee Smith had his 4 match ban overturned for kicking a bloke in the head in the semi. So get off your high horses chaps.

See you on Saturday. May the best team win.

We won enough games to get into the GF , what’s your point?

Also bringing up a 14 year old incident LOL, may aswell talk about a certain voluntary tackle eh?

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:22 am  

They've got him off on a technicality by the sounds of it. How they've done it god only knows but what it has done it brought the whole process into the public eye in a major way and should bring about change for the better which is much needed. Fans and players are becoming totally disillusioned with the sport at the moment, it's not a good look at all.

This week should have been building up the biggest game of the season between 2 great clubs but instead it's about the farcical MRP. There in lines one of the biggest problems the sport has had over the years, press coverage on the negative things in the game and not the positives and on many occasions the sport brings it on its self. Looking on social media many current players are furious with the decision its not just fans.

The way the MRP has dealt with matters this season is gob smacking at times and Leeds will feel very aggrieved about this and quite rightly so. From my point of view I'm hoping Leeds use it to motivate them to the hilt.

Good luck to both teams on the day, Leeds and Saints are great clubs and hope the fans get on too.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:25 am  

christopher wrote:

We won enough games to get into the GF , what’s your point?

Also bringing up a 14 year old incident LOL, may aswell talk about a certain voluntary tackle eh?

My point? I just made a bunch of them in the previous post. They either went over your head or you simply chose not to address them
My point was that the same people crying about the decision to overturn Knowles ban probably didn’t mind Lee Smith getting off. Doesn’t matter if it happened 14 weeks or 14 years back.
Mature comeback with the Chris Joynt incident. Well done to you.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:42 am  

fishy3005 wrote:

My point? I just made a bunch of them in the previous post. They either went over your head or you simply chose not to address them
My point was that the same people crying about the decision to overturn Knowles ban probably didn’t mind Lee Smith getting off. Doesn’t matter if it happened 14 weeks or 14 years back.
Mature comeback with the Chris Joynt incident. Well done to you.

And my point is a 14 year old incident is irrelevant in the context of wgat the MRP has done this season.

The voluntary tackle point was to show how daft your point was

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:48 am  

christopher wrote:

And my point is a 14 year old incident is irrelevant in the context of wgat the MRP has done this season.

The voluntary tackle point was to show how daft your point was

Eh???? Im not comparing the incident 14 years ago to the current match review. I’m not comparing Lee Smith to Morgan Knowles or the severity. The point I made was that the same leeds fans wanting to sell their GF tickets and boycott the sport this week probably had no problem with the judiciary letting Lee Smith off in 2008. It doesn’t make a difference when it happened. Hypocrites.
I don’t know how I can make my point any simpler for you.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:50 am  

fishy3005 wrote:

We aren’t loved by or get preferential treatment from anyone. Anyway, like I said I think Knowles should have got 1 game.

I'm sorry, but your second sentence kinda disproves the first.

Re: SL GF | St Helens (Old Trafford) : Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:54 am  

Once were Loiners wrote:

I wouldn't have had a huge issue if Knowles hadn't been banned in the first place - I think some of the reaction to the actual tackle has been a bit hysterical. The idea that Knowles actually had some concept of a 'police hold' while in the process of just trying to delay a PTB is hyperbolic nonsense. It also wasn't anything like a chicken wing, no matter how many times its called that.

The appeal process, however, has been a farce and brought the whole process into disrepute (if more were needed after the ridiculous banathon this year). Utterly ridiculous that they even heard a second appeal after an unsuccessful one.

For me Welsby's was worse, and the sort of tackle the sport needs to get rid of. Hits to the head are not acceptable any more. Calling it a 'great tackle' is stupid. Just as shoulder charges were considered by some to be great tackles when they were nothing of the sort. Uncontrolled tackles like that will lead to injuries as often as they don't.

Regardless, I hope this episode leads to the MRP being completely reset for next season. I'd frankly be stunned if it wasn't.

Nothing what's soever wrong with the Welsby tackle if Sky hadn't have kept going on about it it would have been forgotten by now