Re: Smith out ASAP : Sat Apr 20, 2024 5:22 pm  

Emagdnim13 wrote:

I just can't see him being sacked.

How many coaches have we gone through in the last five years or so?.
Who will want to come mid season that isn't already contracted ?.

Who would come knowing it's a huge job and they have 0 time to set stuff right before they are on the chopping block?.

Who wants to be in charge of year 10 of the rebuild with a team made from multiple short term coach appointments?.

We need to fork out the big bucks and get a big name that knows what to do and who he wants on his staff.
Even then with a great contract we will struggle to get him.

If RS goes now we get another temp coach or a cheap bargin bin appointment

What? Smith has been here since April 2022, you say it as though he's getting sacked after 6 games. He has coached the team for 55 games, and we look worse than ever after backing him financially with some of the most expensive signings in our history.

55 games
29 wins
27 losses
52% win rate

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:12 pm  

tomlufc wrote:

What? Smith has been here since April 2022, you say it as though he's getting sacked after 6 games. He has coached the team for 55 games, and we look worse than ever after backing him financially with some of the most expensive signings in our history.

55 games
29 wins
27 losses
52% win rate

I'm not talking about RS, but the next guy if we sack him.
Say that happens.

Odds are we end up with temp coach / one of the assistents or former players doing it.

We sign a new coach. How long will he be given to improve things? How many players will he bin?.
We just restart the cycle all over again.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sat Apr 20, 2024 6:22 pm  

That’s the point isn’t it: we have to break the cycle and stop making “mud at the wall” guesses.

But like signing project players or injury prone players. We need to rely less on luck.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:37 pm  

Smithout wrote:

If you had read my past posts you would have noticed that I am a life long supporter of our club. I am 69 years of age. My first final was Wembley 78. So I have seen some terrible games and leeds teams but none so gutless clueles and down right badley coached bunch of individuals. So no it gives me no pleasure at all to see my club like it is now. I have never been one for sacking coach's but he is way out of his depth. He seems like a nice bloke but maybe the team need a disciplinarian and not a mate. Just of the record I stand in the southstand where my father and his father before him stud. Even after the rebuild.

So, another glory supporter then? Only kidding

I've seen way worse Leeds teams than this one. Look at 1996, and more recently, latter day McDermott, Furner, and the mess Agar left us in at the start of 2022. Admitedly we may not have 'bottomed out' yet - but we're likely to find out in the coming weeks. Can't wait for that.

Not sure how hard Smith is on discipline, but he never struck me as a matey coach - the way the likes of Leeming, Austin and Macdonald were dealt with suggests he's more cold and calculating if anything. If the likes of Handley and Cam Smith are his favourites, I still can't picture him being buddy-buddy with them. If anything I'd say we need more of a Brian McClennan type to boost confidence.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun Apr 21, 2024 5:50 am  

We’re 8th.

Bar Leigh, a semi-competent team, the only teams below us are all train wrecks.

A quality coach can do something with this team. Things fall into place very quickly when you have a quality coach, we just don’t appoint them anymore. It doesn’t have to be an xx year transition. People are obsessed with that for some reason. In 96 we nearly got relegated, but in 98 we competed at the top and made the grand final. We just made good recruitment decisions and appointed a top quality coach.

Watson and Rowley have all been gettable in the last 5 years and would all be doing better with this squad than the current “coach”.

We are just rotting in mediocrity right now. People talking about having seen worse teams like it’s some badge of honour. Just because the club has been a mess in yesteryear doesn’t mean standards should be dropped.

Where is the ruthless drive for a success? Remember Hetherington at the turn of the century? Setting targets for success and dishing out the medicine when it wasn’t achieved.

The club is dead on the field.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:32 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

We’re 8th.

Bar Leigh, a semi-competent team, the only teams below us are all train wrecks.

A quality coach can do something with this team. Things fall into place very quickly when you have a quality coach, we just don’t appoint them anymore. It doesn’t have to be an xx year transition. People are obsessed with that for some reason. In 96 we nearly got relegated, but in 98 we competed at the top and made the grand final. We just made good recruitment decisions and appointed a top quality coach.

Watson and Rowley have all been gettable in the last 5 years and would all be doing better with this squad than the current “coach”.

We are just rotting in mediocrity right now. People talking about having seen worse teams like it’s some badge of honour. Just because the club has been a mess in yesteryear doesn’t mean standards should be dropped.

Where is the ruthless drive for a success? Remember Hetherington at the turn of the century? Setting targets for success and dishing out the medicine when it wasn’t achieved.

The club is dead on the field.

Well said, Agree 100%

And its not just the first team suffering from the acceptance of mediocrity

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun Apr 21, 2024 6:48 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

We’re 8th.

Bar Leigh, a semi-competent team, the only teams below us are all train wrecks.

A quality coach can do something with this team. Things fall into place very quickly when you have a quality coach, we just don’t appoint them anymore. It doesn’t have to be an xx year transition. People are obsessed with that for some reason. In 96 we nearly got relegated, but in 98 we competed at the top and made the grand final. We just made good recruitment decisions and appointed a top quality coach.

Watson and Rowley have all been gettable in the last 5 years and would all be doing better with this squad than the current “coach”.

We are just rotting in mediocrity right now. People talking about having seen worse teams like it’s some badge of honour. Just because the club has been a mess in yesteryear doesn’t mean standards should be dropped.

Where is the ruthless drive for a success? Remember Hetherington at the turn of the century? Setting targets for success and dishing out the medicine when it wasn’t achieved.

The club is dead on the field.

Spot on, that’s a perfectly fair appraisal of our present situation.

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun Apr 21, 2024 8:27 am  

FlexWheeler wrote:

We’re 8th.

Bar Leigh, a semi-competent team, the only teams below us are all train wrecks.

A quality coach can do something with this team. Things fall into place very quickly when you have a quality coach, we just don’t appoint them anymore. It doesn’t have to be an xx year transition. People are obsessed with that for some reason. In 96 we nearly got relegated, but in 98 we competed at the top and made the grand final. We just made good recruitment decisions and appointed a top quality coach.

Watson and Rowley have all been gettable in the last 5 years and would all be doing better with this squad than the current “coach”.

We are just rotting in mediocrity right now. People talking about having seen worse teams like it’s some badge of honour. Just because the club has been a mess in yesteryear doesn’t mean standards should be dropped.

Where is the ruthless drive for a success? Remember Hetherington at the turn of the century? Setting targets for success and dishing out the medicine when it wasn’t achieved.

The club is dead on the field.

terrific post. Agree fully

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:17 am  

We're also 4pts off first aren't we?

We win the next two games, season looks much better

Re: Smith out ASAP : Sun Apr 21, 2024 9:25 am  

table does because London and Hull are crap.
in reality it's not