Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:55 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

We got 20k in a stadium that held just over 20k, we got 27k in a stadium that held 27k, and 30k+ in a stadium that held 37k. Theres a pattern emerging isnt there.


Except it does. Our attendances at Elland Road for the WCC were 37k, 33k, 33k (when the top tier was opened last minute) and 27k (when the top tier wasnt opened). When the WCC moved to Headingley.

When operating from a larger stadium, more can be spent on marketing, more can be spent on creating an event, and you can earn less per attendee, but still get more overall.

Why do you think they stopped opening the top tier, because the demand for tickets weren't there?

What the WCC attendances show is that in 2005 it was new and it was our first ever WCC final, repeated visits to this game have seen the novelty ware off for some and that's why the crowd steadily dropped. You really think we'd have kept getting 30k+ for our last few WCC's if we stayed at Elland Road? The club will have known how slower and less the tickets sold for this game year upon year, if they still thought they could still get 33-37k I'm sure they'd have stayed at ER.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:56 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

And are those dates the confirmed timeline for absence from Headingley?

Does it matter? if we play 1,2,3,4,5,6 games at Elland road are we then locked in to playing all of them there?

How many Super 8 games are we having?

No more than we did last year.

Which teams are we playing?

Does it matter?

Wigan's 'big one' is marketed for a long time, we'll have a few weeks because of only finding out the S8's fixtures after R23 to market an 'event' game that could be against Salford or Catalans etc.

Arent we trying to attract fans to watch Leeds play RL? But I agree, the system we have is dumb as all hell.

Who knows we might have a CC final for fans to fork out for around the same time?

Is a bus from Headingley to Elland Road an expense we need to plan in?

What happens if we're top two will United let us have Ellamd Road at a weeks notice especially if they have a big home match that weekend?

Why would they need to do this? Again i agree that the system we have is dumb and the uncertainty it introduces is damaging and unnecessary, however it isnt beyond even the RFL to say even now, that if Leeds have 3 home games they will be played on x dates, if they have for they will be played on Y dates. Then Leeds Utd go to the football league or premier league and say hey, the stadiums being used on these dates. Book us away games for next season if you can. Then they do.

Lot of important questions you don't consider because you have tunnel vision on "let do events, they'll surely be successful because I want them to be"

I consider them. I dont consider them insurmountable.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:10 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

Why do you think they stopped opening the top tier, because the demand for tickets weren't there?

No, because Every year the stand needed to have a safety certificate produced so that it was allowed to be used. In 2005 Leeds Utd had already paid for that to happen, in 2008 the tier was closed and wasnt re-opened until 2weeks before the WCC, by 2009 they hadnt even bothered to get the Safety Certificate for it so couldnt open it even if they wanted to. Until the Rhinos stepped in and paid £90k to have the safety checks done and the certificate produced, again not until the last minute.

What the WCC attendances show is that in 2005 it was new and it was our first ever WCC final, repeated visits to this game have seen the novelty ware off for some and that's why the crowd steadily dropped. You really think we'd have kept getting 30k+ for our last few WCC's if we stayed at Elland Road? The club will have known how slower and less the tickets sold for this game year upon year, if they still thought they could still get 33-37k I'm sure they'd have stayed at ER.

Every time we have played in a 30k+ seater stadium we have sold more than 30k tickets. Crowds didnt steadily drop. There was a drop from 05 to 08 and 09 when the top tier of the East Stand wasnt opened until the last moment, and a drop again when the top tier wasnt opened at all.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:17 pm  

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

2 of those points

- yes it clearly does matter who we play, only have look at past attendances to know we don't get the same attendance for some teams.

- why would Leeds United be interested in going to the Premier League/EFL and asking for their fixtures to moved around to help us? Cellino is still half owner at United ATM, he doesn't strike me as the type who gives a damn about helping us out.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:21 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

No, because Every year the stand needed to have a safety certificate produced so that it was allowed to be used. In 2005 Leeds Utd had already paid for that to happen, in 2008 the tier was closed and wasnt re-opened until 2weeks before the WCC, by 2009 they hadnt even bothered to get the Safety Certificate for it so couldnt open it even if they wanted to. Until the Rhinos stepped in and paid £90k to have the safety checks done and the certificate produced, again not until the last minute.
Every time we have played in a 30k+ seater stadium we have sold more than 30k tickets. Crowds didnt steadily drop. There was a drop from 05 to 08 and 09 when the top tier of the East Stand wasnt opened until the last moment, and a drop again when the top tier wasnt opened at all.

When we play in 30k+ stadiums there's usually a trophy on the line or a spot in a Final up for grabs......not just 2 league points against Catalans Dragons bringing zero away fans.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:34 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

2 of those points

- yes it clearly does matter who we play, only have look at past attendances to know we don't get the same attendance for some teams.

And we still have to play those games. That difference will be there wherever we play.

- why would Leeds United be interested in going to the Premier League/EFL and asking for their fixtures to moved around to help us? Cellino is still half owner at United ATM, he doesn't strike me as the type who gives a damn about helping us out.

He doesnt need to give a damn about helping us out because money can be exchanged for goods and services.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:38 pm  

PrinterThe wrote:

When we play in 30k+ stadiums there's usually a trophy on the line or a spot in a Final up for grabs......not just 2 league points against Catalans Dragons bringing zero away fans.

Thats why we would use it reach out to new fans

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:47 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

And we still have to play those games. That difference will be there wherever we play.

He doesnt need to give a damn about helping us out because money can be exchanged for goods and services.

Yes and how much money? You think it's going to come cheap? It's alright for you who isn't responsible for Leeds Rhinos finances.

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:53 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Thats why we would use it reach out to new fans

Again who are these new fans? I imagine a lot of your Headingley crowd probably live closer the Ellamd Road than Headingley.

We went to Elland Road in 2009 + 2010 for the WCC.....we had a lower average attendance those seasons than 2016? So what did the Elland Road effect have?

Re: Stadium Redevelopment : Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:34 am  

Leeds struggle to fill the stadium at Huddersfield for a semi final so why anyone would think they could get 30k for a regular league game just because its ER is beyond me