: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:47 am  

Vic Mackey wrote:

As somebody else pointed out doesn't it happen every single time that a full back makes a break from a kick down field?

Were any of the full backs colleagues stood on the wrong side at the preceding play the ball?

Vic Mackey wrote:

While you're asking for examples - how about the reverse (given that controversial refereeing decisions are more likely to stick in the memory than support play). I for one can't remember ever seeing this rule enforced in my 20ish years of watching league...and yet many of the greatest support players in the game (Edwards, Hanley, Joint) have done exactly what Webb did for there whole careers.

I'm asking for examples because people have suggested this is a common occurrence. Without those examples do they have a case for complaint when last night saw the correct decision awarded by the match officials?

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:50 am  

I can think of an example Hull KR Saints, Wellens in a similar situation to Webb, result no try, if sky sports still has that refs blog thing from last few years you will find it there

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:55 am  

Vic Mackey wrote:

As somebody else pointed out doesn't it happen every single time that a full back makes a break from a kick down field?

While you're asking for examples - how about the reverse (given that controversial refereeing decisions are more likely to stick in the memory than support play). I for one can't remember ever seeing this rule enforced in my 20ish years of watching league...and yet many of the greatest support players in the game (Edwards, Hanley, Joint) have done exactly what Webb did for there whole careers.

Irrelevant. A rule is a rule. Get over the last 20 years and start watching this years games

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:55 am  

It may be that Leeds have been running offensive plays whereby one of their players stays in the defensive line.
Such a scenario can help disrupt a teams defensive pattern, and creat gaps to exploit.

The full time refs will have no doubt picked up on this in post match analysis and been looking out for such incidents.

Hanley was indeed a master of standing offside, and many fans used to complain about it at the time. Hence why we all remember that he used to do this.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 11:57 am  

The decision was correct according to the letter of the law.
The unfortunate thing from our point of view was that Burrow had two other players to whom he could have passed - Senior or McGuire - though Webb was in the best position.
Let's hope we don't get caught out by this in the future.
Roll on Monday & the opportunity to put this game behind us.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:03 pm  

Clarkey3262 wrote:

I can think of an example Hull KR Saints, Wellens in a similar situation to Webb, result no try, if sky sports still has that refs blog thing from last few years you will find it there

First of all I don't recall the incident but how is it similar to last night?

Oh I see it's similar because the try was correctly disallowed.

Thank you for that, at least you tried to help the disbelievers.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:07 pm  

People wanted examples of when that rule has been enforced, that was an example, cheers.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:30 pm  

tvoc wrote: Were any of the full backs colleagues stood on the wrong side at the preceding play the ball? I think it happens a lot when the full back makes a half break and then plays the ball quickly. But What I was really thinking of (and admittedly it's not a direct comparison) when the full back's colleagues move into a "supporting position" in anticipation of the full back overtaking them (and playing them on side), they often get in a good position without trying to get onside first are they...taking any part in the game or attempting in any way to influence the course of the game? (i.e. the falling foul of the same rule as Webb did) I'd say they are...so how pedantic do we want our refs to be...? By the way check out where Chris Joynt stands at the final play the ball on this rather famous try...did he ever retire 10 meters...?

tvoc wrote: Were any of the full backs colleagues stood on the wrong side at the preceding play the ball? I think it happens a lot when the full back makes a half break and then plays the ball quickly. But What I was really thinking of (and admittedly it's not a direct comparison) when the full back's colleagues move into a "supporting position" in anticipation of the full back overtaking them (and playing them on side), they often get in a good position without trying to get onside first are they...taking any part in the game or attempting in any way to influence the course of the game? (i.e. the falling foul of the same rule as Webb did) I'd say they are...so how pedantic do we want our refs to be...? By the way check out where Chris Joynt stands at the final play the ball on this rather famous try...did he ever retire 10 meters...?

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:30 pm  

Clarkey3262 wrote:

People wanted examples of when that rule has been enforced, that was an example, cheers.

I'm just waiting for the flood gates to open the other way now. I'm not holding my breath though.

: Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:34 pm  

Vic Mackey wrote: What I was really thinking of (and admittedly it's not a direct comparison) when the full back's colleagues move into a "supporting position" in anticipation of the full back overtaking them (and playing them on side), they often get in a good position without trying to get onside first are they...taking any part in the game or attempting in any way to influence the course of the game? (i.e. the falling foul of the same rule as Webb did) I'd say they are...so how pedantic do we want our refs to be...? To prevent any mis-understanding on my part would you like to give me a specific example of this practise that I may review and give an opinion on? Vic Mackey wrote: By the way check out where Chris Joynt stands at the final play the ball on this rather famous try...did he ever retire 10 meters...? Is that the one where no St Helens players were stood in the Bradford defensive line when Sculthorpe got up to play the ball?

Vic Mackey wrote: What I was really thinking of (and admittedly it's not a direct comparison) when the full back's colleagues move into a "supporting position" in anticipation of the full back overtaking them (and playing them on side), they often get in a good position without trying to get onside first are they...taking any part in the game or attempting in any way to influence the course of the game? (i.e. the falling foul of the same rule as Webb did) I'd say they are...so how pedantic do we want our refs to be...? To prevent any mis-understanding on my part would you like to give me a specific example of this practise that I may review and give an opinion on? Vic Mackey wrote: By the way check out where Chris Joynt stands at the final play the ball on this rather famous try...did he ever retire 10 meters...? Is that the one where no St Helens players were stood in the Bradford defensive line when Sculthorpe got up to play the ball?