It's a very tough position to be in, if stick to guns and dint release him and he returns will he be giving 100% or will he be sat on the touch line getting paid, either one is not a great prospect and one Leeds wire n cas would jot want either way.
Players move and in general the contracts they sign are not wort the paper They arewritten on!! I feel the manner in which the 3 have left is disgraceful when all 3 clubs could have agreed a cash fee for releasing the players. Ru teams have the cash to pay a transfer fee as do the nrl teams. If the players has conducted them selves with dignity and tries to ensure that their clubs received somthing for their departure then it would have been a whole lot easier to stomach!
One thing to look at is how our contracts are written up and whts inclouded in them, clubs can add in other clauses covering things like this in the future??
Agree. The destination clubs should take a big part of the blame as well as the players and their agents. Disappointed with the comments from Steve "butter wouldn't melt" Diamond at Sale Sharks. I hope these guys do fall flat on their faces and we have the last laugh. Wait and see... Soward's comments where true, but a much smaller proportion of the decision making process than he is trying to make out.
I'm glad the RFL is at least talking tough. I keep saying it, but the problem is players wanting to have their cake and eat it - contracts for as long a term as possible to insure their income, but wanting to be able to walk away from them as soon as they get a better offer. Its exactly the same rubbish Hardaker pulled.
If too many push down this line its the other players that will suffer, as there will literally be no point in clubs offering anything other than annual (or even shorter term) contracts.
IMO Leeds gave Segeyaro a pretty good deal - a contract for 2016 when he wasn't otherwise going to play, and a long-term offer with a free option for him to decide if he wanted it. These sorts of options are highly valued in business (and usually aren't free), and they always have a fixed term. Given the significant impact keeping or losing a high quality player has in a salary-capped sport, it was entirely reasonable for Leeds to ensure that the option lapsed well before the start of training for 2017.
Segeyaro wasn't strong-armed or pressured into signing anything. even if he never wanted to play in SL, at worst what Leeds offered him was a nice short contract to get him in the shop window, with the added bonus of a fall-back in the event he didn't get an NRL gig. The fact he didn't sort out a deal with the Sharks or anyone else before the option lapsed is entirely his problem.
I totally agree unlike that utter tosh posted by that SP bloke. He regularly posts total BS but that effort yesterday really takes the biscuit. Whoops, have I laid myself open to a 15 page thread of "you said, I said, no I didn't, yes you did"?
IIRC, Moon took Salford to a RFL tribunal to try and gain a release from his contract. Moon lost and Leeds subsequently paid an undisclosed fee to Salford to acquire his services.
Leeds will no doubt get an 'undisclosed fee' for Segeyaro in due course just as they got for the contracted Craig Innes.
ie. whatever the Cronulla chairman can find down the back of his sofa. Still, with the exchange rate as it is that could be enough to build a new South Stand.
Segeyaro is the ideal scapegoat for a CEO and a club that has well and truly lost its way in recent times.
If the CEO and club can keep running and spinning the Segeyaro issue well into next season whilst getting all the sheeples (fans) onside, it'll be a job well done.
Rubbish player recruitment, poor management, poor coaching, awful academy production line, embarrassing withdrawal from council planning meetings and stadium redevelopment, extracting the urine from the fanbase by flogging them season tickets they didn't need or want... all can be quietly brushed under the carpet.
I've made a few jokes about this (anyone watching the interview with Segeyaro posted on here when we were looking to bring him over must surely have realized how welded the guy is to his family and his lifestyle in Australia and seen him as a massive flight risk - this was obviously what was going to happen), but people saying he should honour his contract have a point. Just because something is obviously going to happen doesn't mean it's right. Sometimes in life you make commitments and you have to stick by them. He will hardly be in a situation where he won't be financially rewarded and he'll be looked after in most every other way by the club. He should suck it up and spend the next two seasons doing what he said he would do. It's not like he hasn't had time to think this through - we gave him months to do that with no commitment needed. Frankly he was stuck for a club for a reason, and that was all down to him. He was in stinking form and hanging with the wrong crowd.
Fact is though, he's not coming back and we can't force him. Ultimately the club will have to release him, either for a nothing or for whatever we can get out of Cronulla (or whoever he goes to). I don't know details of the cap, not sure if there is a clause that allows clubs to take off players doing this. If there isn't then the player and his agent have even more leverage.
Segeyaro is the ideal scapegoat for a CEO and a club that has well and truly lost its way in recent times.
If the CEO and club can keep running and spinning the Segeyaro issue well into next season whilst getting all the sheeples (fans) onside, it'll be a job well done.
Rubbish player recruitment, poor management, poor coaching, awful academy production line, embarrassing withdrawal from council planning meetings and stadium redevelopment, extracting the urine from the fanbase by flogging them season tickets they didn't need or want... all can be quietly brushed under the carpet.
Now repeat after me...
SEGEYARO - BOOOOOOOOOOO! HISSSSSS! B&@!4£#!!!
There are other threads where all these things are discussed. This one is about this player and his situation, I suspect that's why his name is mentioned so much.
McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.
[watching Mackay testing the curry in the prison kitchens] Fletcher: Course, he sees 'imself as an authority on curry, he does, on account of where he was stationed in the army. Rudge: Where? India? Fletcher: No, Bradford.
Segeyaro is the ideal scapegoat for a CEO and a club that has well and truly lost its way in recent times.
If the CEO and club can keep running and spinning the Segeyaro issue well into next season whilst getting all the sheeples (fans) onside, it'll be a job well done.
Rubbish player recruitment, poor management, poor coaching, awful academy production line, embarrassing withdrawal from council planning meetings and stadium redevelopment, extracting the urine from the fanbase by flogging them season tickets they didn't need or want... all can be quietly brushed under the carpet.
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
Oh boohoo. Poor old Segeyaro being bullied into signing things he doesn't want to by big bad Leeds. Honestly did you read that post back before submitting?
Who said anything about bullying - it was obvious Leeds put pressure on him to sign. It was also obvious he only signed because he had limited options at the time and as soon as a suitable option came along he would be gone. Let's be brutally honest Leeds were desperate from him to sign because they also had zero options in that area and needed to be seen to be doing something about the squad.
I would agree if a player like Watkins was to leave then Leeds should be entitled to a fee after all they have developed him through the academy and invested heavily - what have Leeds invested in Segeyaro a couple of business class flights - seriously?
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
