Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:54 am  

Slightly off topic it's reported in Australia as well as Warrington another Superleague club is chasing Justin Holbrook.
Only other. club I can think of could afford him or possibly want to change coach isHuddersfield.
Any chance we could be the other club assuming it's not all paper talk.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 9:24 am  

Wouldn't have thought so. All the narrative around Rohan's appointment related to a long term approach. Might have been different had we been on the cusp of success before he joined only to find ourselves where we are now. But we were miles off.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 10:06 am  

STEVENM1000 wrote:

Slightly off topic it's reported in Australia as well as Warrington another Superleague club is chasing Justin Holbrook.
Only other. club I can think of could afford him or possibly want to change coach isHuddersfield.
Any chance we could be the other club assuming it's not all paper talk.

No I can’t see it at all.

Could be Wakey as they’ve got cash now or Huddersfield.

He’ll end up at Warrington, however I think Warrington have bigger issues than just the coach, I think the whole organisation needs a shake up. Phil Caplan made some really interesting points surrounding this on the Forty Twenty podcast basically saying the Club just doesn’t know whai its trying to be, it has a total lack of identity both on and off the field.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:06 am  

christopher wrote:

I think Warrington have bigger issues than just the coach, I think the whole organisation needs a shake up. Phil Caplan made some really interesting points surrounding this on the Forty Twenty podcast basically saying the Club just doesn’t know whai its trying to be, it has a total lack of identity both on and off the field.

Sorry but that's just the usual stuff from the usual source trying to construct a pseudo intellectual argument about why a team is losing on the field. It takes me back to when Brian Mac used to death stare Caplan in press conferences when he'd talk that sort of ******.

Warrington's problems start and largely end right there, on the field with the players and coaches - their player management, their game management, their recruitment, their young talent pathways, their 'Leeds in the '90s' approach to building a team.

Off field the management strike me as doing everything reasonable to facilitate success. They provide everything that is needed: full salary cap plus marquees, a good owned stadium and the income that flows from it, top class training facilities. They back their coaches with money and don't appear to interfere in who is signed and who is let go.

It should have been no surprise to any Leeds fans that Tony Smith led them to a period of sustained competitiveness and success, even if they came up just short of the prize they really wanted. What they need again is a coach like that who will build up a team and an identity for that team. But to pretend there is some meta problem at Warrington stretching from the back office through to the team which neatly explains all their on field problems? It's a simplistic argument pretending to be a clever one, wrapped up in b0llocks.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 11:07 am  

christopher wrote:

No I can’t see it at all.

Could be Wakey as they’ve got cash now or Huddersfield.

He’ll end up at Warrington, however I think Warrington have bigger issues than just the coach, I think the whole organisation needs a shake up. Phil Caplan made some really interesting points surrounding this on the Forty Twenty podcast basically saying the Club just doesn’t know whai its trying to be, it has a total lack of identity both on and off the field.

Its a club that is eerily similar to what Liverpool FC were in the mid 90's - Spice Boys.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:14 pm  

STEVENM1000 wrote:

Slightly off topic it's reported in Australia as well as Warrington another Superleague club is chasing Justin Holbrook.
Only other. club I can think of could afford him or possibly want to change coach isHuddersfield.
Any chance we could be the other club assuming it's not all paper talk.

Might explain everything team related ins and outs wise? Who knows it's all a mystery......

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:20 pm  

MjM wrote:

Sorry but that's just the usual stuff from the usual source trying to construct a pseudo intellectual argument about why a team is losing on the field. It takes me back to when Brian Mac used to death stare Caplan in press conferences when he'd talk that sort of ******.

Warrington's problems start and largely end right there, on the field with the players and coaches - their player management, their game management, their recruitment, their young talent pathways, their 'Leeds in the '90s' approach to building a team.

Off field the management strike me as doing everything reasonable to facilitate success. They provide everything that is needed: full salary cap plus marquees, a good owned stadium and the income that flows from it, top class training facilities. They back their coaches with money and don't appear to interfere in who is signed and who is let go.

It should have been no surprise to any Leeds fans that Tony Smith led them to a period of sustained competitiveness and success, even if they came up just short of the prize they really wanted. What they need again is a coach like that who will build up a team and an identity for that team. But to pretend there is some meta problem at Warrington stretching from the back office through to the team which neatly explains all their on field problems? It's a simplistic argument pretending to be a clever one, wrapped up in b0llocks.

Did you listen to it?

You say in your post that the team identity is part of the issue, which it is but I also think theres other issues at the club, lack of decent academy production is also another.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:55 pm  

MjM wrote:

Sorry but that's just the usual stuff from the usual source trying to construct a pseudo intellectual argument about why a team is losing on the field. It takes me back to when Brian Mac used to death stare Caplan in press conferences when he'd talk that sort of ******.

Warrington's problems start and largely end right there, on the field with the players and coaches - their player management, their game management, their recruitment, their young talent pathways, their 'Leeds in the '90s' approach to building a team.

Off field the management strike me as doing everything reasonable to facilitate success. They provide everything that is needed: full salary cap plus marquees, a good owned stadium and the income that flows from it, top class training facilities. They back their coaches with money and don't appear to interfere in who is signed and who is let go.

It should have been no surprise to any Leeds fans that Tony Smith led them to a period of sustained competitiveness and success, even if they came up just short of the prize they really wanted. What they need again is a coach like that who will build up a team and an identity for that team. But to pretend there is some meta problem at Warrington stretching from the back office through to the team which neatly explains all their on field problems? It's a simplistic argument pretending to be a clever one, wrapped up in b0llocks.

Would agree with this. It’s actually bloody hard to have a top quality RL side, despite everything correct off field…..

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:01 pm  

It’s hard to do it, lots can go wrong. It’s easier to give yourself the best possible chance by having the right youth set up, bringing in the best of British and signing the right overseas players. It’s this that we’ve consistently failed at IMO.

Re: Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4 : Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:09 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

It’s hard to do it, lots can go wrong. It’s easier to give yourself the best possible chance by having the right youth set up, bringing in the best of British and signing the right overseas players. It’s this that we’ve consistently failed at IMO.

Consistently failed at? I think that's a bit harsh considering our record, we've had a bad six/seven years but still won a GF, Won a CC and competed in another GF, and that's in our poor years.

Warrington have consistently failed at it.