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Re: OT - the judicial system : Sat Apr 04, 2009 5:45 pm  
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Well said.

What do people want a prison sentence for?

A deterrent? Studies show it doesn;t work.

Rehabilitation? I think the sentence given has more chance of that than a stretch inside and loss of career.

Punishment? That's one I find hard to argue against.

You see, I believe that the latter should be the primary objective of sentencing but that ideal requires financing and whilst I'd happily see my tax money spent I expect the ranters who pontificate on threads such as these wouldn't.

It used to be the case that kicking a prone victim in the head was a no no. Seems to have relaxed on that score.

However, like the bandit said, nobody on here knows the full facts and the judge did.

Oh, and bats, I don't do criminal work. Hourly rates are too low and the clients are scum bags who need locking up.


Loss of freedom is surely the greatest punishment any of us is ever likely to incur - being told what to do when must surely be a greater punishment than having to do a few hours of community work?

There may well have been some circumstances but that should be explained in the judgement IMO let's face it 2 years for Walker is a hell of a lot more than a suspended sentence for what on the face of it were very similar offences

Prison doesn't work for habitual criminals who do not know another way of life - I would imagine if you talk to Chev his time in prison will had a profound effect on his life and I would imagine it would not be something he would wish to repeat. On the other hand another high profile sportsman was given a suspended sentence and has admitted doing something very similar at a later date.
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: Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:24 pm  
I always smile when I read about the Legal profession extolling the need for prisoner rehabilitation, as opposed to the general publics desire for punishment to be the main reason for incarceration.

Prisoner rehabilitation has been a part of the British legal system since the late 1770's. and has been an abysmal failure ever since. Current re-offending costs us £12 billion

The wheels of justice may grind slowly, but after two centuries of failure, it is time for our Legal Eagle's to come up with a system a tad more effective.

Off course, that would mean less potential clients, but surely a price worth paying for a better society?
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I always smile when I read about the Legal profession extolling the need for prisoner rehabilitation, as opposed to the general publics desire for punishment to be the main reason for incarceration.

Prisoner rehabilitation has been a part of the British legal system since the late 1770's. and has been an abysmal failure ever since. Current re-offending costs us £12 billion

The wheels of justice may grind slowly, but after two centuries of failure, it is time for our Legal Eagle's to come up with a system a tad more effective.

Off course, that would mean less potential clients, but surely a price worth paying for a better society?
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Re: OT - the judicial system : Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:12 am  
(Broken) Time Bandit wrote:
Edited for accuracy :wink:
I would consrtuct a comprehensive, well constructed rebuttal but who will pay the £185 per hour?
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Re: OT - the judicial system : Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:13 am  
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There may well have been some circumstances but that should be explained in the judgement IMO
How do you know it isn't? Have you read the judgment?
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Re: OT - the judicial system : Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:20 pm  
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I would consrtuct a comprehensive, well constructed rebuttal but who will pay the £185 per hour?


Is that all - that's what the big four accountants charge for a unqualified student - if you wanted a partner's view x 4 - I thought you legal eagles were the top dogs? :D
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Re: OT - the judicial system : Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:27 pm  
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How do you know it isn't? Have you read the judgment?


Is the judgement available as yet?
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Re: OT - the judicial system : Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:46 pm  
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Is that all - that's what the big four accountants charge for a unqualified student - if you wanted a partner's view x 4 - I thought you legal eagles were the top dogs? :D
Accountants are rip off merchants who also break down their hourly rates into 4 15 min units.

Accountants always charge significantly higher than lawyers. Always have done.
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Re: OT - the judicial system : Sun Apr 05, 2009 11:47 pm  
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Is the judgement available as yet?
I'll take that as a "no" then.

So why were you critizing the judge for not explaining something in his judgment when you've no idea what his judgment actually said?

......or did you just fancy a rant?
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Cockayne !! Did anyone see this CCTV footage ? : Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:12 pm  
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