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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:19 am  
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He might be a bit of an enigma, that's just the way he is, but I find the idea of a large chunk of England's fans and press singling out (not for the first time) the man who has top-scored for criticism somewhat mystifying. It would have been nice to see him go on and get 100 and more, but 69 is not exactly "cheap" at this level. The problem has been with the top order to some extent and with the bowling attack, with some credit also going to the two batsmen in the middle for the Aussies.

I thought Pietersen, Collingwood, Prior and Flintoff did a decent job as a middle order, and pushed England from a shaky start towards a reasonably defendabloe total.


The problem with KP was shown by the way Katich and especially Ponting batted yesterday afternoon. They got themselves into position to make a big score, and capitalised. You wont find Ponting throwing his wicket away in the same ridiculous fashion as Kevin did.

Yes he top scored, but he could and should have done so much better on that pitch. If, as many people not least himself believe, he's a world class batsman he needs to turn 69's (ooh-er!) into hundreds, not get out playing pre-meditated shots to unsuitable deliveries.

I know it's part of his make up to not admit to mistakes, he sees it as a sign of weakness. I know he tries stuff that comes off and makes it seem so easy. It's stuff like that that makes it all the more galling when he does throw his wicket away.
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:30 am  
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The problem with KP was shown by the way Katich and especially Ponting batted yesterday afternoon. They got themselves into position to make a big score, and capitalised. You wont find Ponting throwing his wicket away in the same ridiculous fashion as Kevin did.

Yes he top scored, but he could and should have done so much better on that pitch. If, as many people not least himself believe, he's a world class batsman he needs to turn 69's (ooh-er!) into hundreds, not get out playing pre-meditated shots to unsuitable deliveries.

I know it's part of his make up to not admit to mistakes, he sees it as a sign of weakness. I know he tries stuff that comes off and makes it seem so easy. It's stuff like that that makes it all the more galling when he does throw his wicket away.


I appreciate the argument, and I think he should convert those scores more, but he holds a position in the order where he can be used effectively to accelerate an innings and I think the failure of Cook, Strauss or Bopara to lay the sort of foundations their Aussie counterparts are busying themselves with as we speak, is something that needs addressing more urgently than KP's flamboyance. He isn't the same type of player as Ponting is, you need both types in the squad and our 1,2 and 3 didn't really get the job done.
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:49 am  
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drop onions


Onions isn't playing.
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:39 am  
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Onions isn't playing.


i know he isnt but it sounded funnier than drop anderson
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 11:58 am  
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i know he isnt but it sounded funnier than drop anderson


Neither sound funny.
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:04 pm  
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Neither sound funny.


Yeah but if MCF had said it you would have laughed away and gone "oh your so funny mcf" :lol:

Do one!!
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:05 pm  
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Yeah but if MCF had said it you would have laughed away and gone "oh your so funny mcf" :lol:

Do one!!


It still wouldn't have been funny.

Maybe to those still in remedial class perhaps.
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:10 pm  
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It still wouldn't have been funny.

Maybe to those still in remedial class perhaps.


Thats not funny, People may have children that have learning difficulties on here and my wife is a special needs teacher so can you keep them comments to yourself please
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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:14 pm  
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Thats not funny, People may have children that have learning difficulties on here and my wife is a special needs teacher so can you keep them comments to yourself please


No I can't, and won't.

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: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:15 pm  
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Thats not funny, People may have children that have learning difficulties on here and my wife is a special needs teacher so can you keep them comments to yourself please


Must be hell for her to have to bring her work home...
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