Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Thu Feb 16, 2012 10:03 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Was the lad signed as a prop?

You tell me. Nothing in the reports I linked to above from his signing say that he was signed to exclusively play a particular position.

He hasn't been developed the way the club said he would be. That's the only issue, not sure why you're looking for something else.

I'm not looking for anything other than for you to subtantiate your claims that the club made him promises that have been broken. Can you do that?

How did the club say he would be developed and when did they say this?

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:16 pm  

G1 wrote:

No, it's important to me to try and raise the level of fekkwittism on here so others can understand rugby a little better than they do.

When people post unsubstantiated rubbish and try and base a whole discussion around it I like to show those people for what they are. You're free to post what you want but if you just make stuff up you will have zero cerdibility. It took me 2 seconds and a google search to find Pitts quotes from when we signed him. Nothing about promises, nothing about playing prop.

So carry on posting the garbage you've been posting since you registered but try and remember that if you post falsehoods someone with higher standards and better credibility is always keeping an eye on you.

Methinks you take life too seriously

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Thu Feb 16, 2012 11:25 pm  

Newport rhino wrote:

Who doubts Big Mac after last season?

....the common denominator in winning GF's is the playing staff.

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Fri Feb 17, 2012 12:05 am  

nantwichexile wrote:

:roll: ....the common denominator in winning GF's is the playing staff.

The common denominator in all your ridiculous posts, is you.

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:56 am  

Teddy Picker wrote:

Genuine question, was he signed as a prop? I thought he had always been a second-row.
In fairness, Delaney was signed as a centre, he is now seen as second-row because he is better there, is that bad development by the club?

I too never thought he would make a prop and I remember clearly posting it on the thread when he signed. He's a ball playing backrowers/loose.

Delaney playing backrower is not good development from the club, it was poor recruitment in the first place.

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:09 am  

Seth wrote:

The common denominator in all your ridiculous posts, is you.

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:33 am  

Seth wrote:

The common denominator in all your ridiculous posts, is you.

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:26 pm  

Article reproduced in full from the YEP on the day the signing was announced ..... enjoy. It's a long winded piece so I've highlighted in blue what appears to be a potentially relevant point in the context of the discussion thus far.

There is also one highlighted in red from Pitts that shows hindsight can be a wonderful thing.

(And no-one should worry about the effort involved on my part as it only took a couple of minutes to find a date for the signing, go to the article and copy and paste it here.)


Headingley Pitts stop is dream come true for Wildcat Jay
14th July 2009


Former season ticket holder Jay Pitts today described signing for Leeds Rhinos as an “unbelievable” opportunity. Rhinos will pay Wakefield Trinity Wildcats an undisclosed fee for the 19-year-old forward, who has joined them on a three-and-a-half year deal. A former England Academy international, Pitts made his Super League debut last season and has played 22 first-team games for Wakefield, including 14 this season. “I supported Leeds from a young age and I was a season ticket holder, so it’s a great honour,” said Pitts, who admitted his “jaw dropped” when he first heard of the Rhinos’ interest. “I was watching Leeds six or seven years ago and now I’ll be playing with some of the same people. It is unbelievable. It is what I have always wanted to do. It is the pinnacle of my career so far and I don’t think there’s much more that can beat that, because it is a childhood dream that has been accomplished.” Pitts played for Wildcats reserves in their 34-16 loss to Leeds three days ago. He said: “It is a wrench to leave. Wakefield have helped me so much and they’ve done so much for me. But I think it’s one of those things I have to do to better my own game. I want the best for myself, but I can’t stress enough how good Wakefield have been to me. Opportunities like this don’t happen very often. If I didn’t take it, in a couple of years’ time I would be regretting it. It is one of those opportunities you’ve got to take. I will work my hardest and hopefully it will come good for me.
Pitts – who can play in the front or back row – added: “I’d love to play some Super League games for Leeds this season, but I need to work my way up first and get the respect of the players. That’s number one, then we’ll go from there.” Coach Brian McClennan said Pitts’ signing has been made “with a view to the future”. Said McClennan: “He has played some first grade already and he is young enough that he can play in our system next year for the under-20s. It is important we have that, if he doesn’t make our first grade side he can develop in our system.” The Leeds coach added: “We will have to work with him to build him up, we see him as a young prop coming through, more than a back-rower. He has got good, late footwork and we will work on him defensively. He has got an idea, he has got a bit of whack in him, and he will work with our coaching staff and we’ll help him get better at that.” Of Pitts’ chances of breaking into the senior side this year, McClennan said: “It’s up to him. He has to earn the respect of his team-mates, that’s the priority. There’s a pretty high caliber of player here and they are hard to impress. He has got to work hard, which he is prepared to do. He has got a good nature and very good character references, so he will fit in.” The Wildcats gave the Rhinos permission to approach Pitts, whose contract was due to end this autumn. Leeds chief executive Gary Hetherington confirmed the transfer was a straight cash deal, with no other player involved. Pitts’ arrival comes less than a week after the Rhinos signed young prop Kyle Amor, from Whitehaven. Hetherington said: “Bringing in quality young players will boost our squad. There’s no doubt we have been running light, particularly with our forward options this year.” Wildcats coach John Kear said: “Leeds inquired about Jay, we are open and honest with our players and we made him aware of that interest and he said he would like to listen to what they had to say. Leeds agreed terms with him, they agreed terms with us and subsequently, he has gone. I’d like to thank Jay for what he has done, he has developed immensely in the time he has been a full-time player and I feel he has got a great future in front of him. Leeds have got a very good player.” Kear said the deal had been done “amicably”. He added: “He has been very honest with us, Leeds Rhinos have as well and we feel we’ve been honest with the player concerned. It has been conducted as professional people should conduct such a move.”

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:08 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Article reproduced in full from the YEP on the day the signing was announced ..... enjoy. It's a long winded piece so I've highlighted in blue what appears to be a potentially relevant point in the context of the discussion thus far.

There is also one highlighted in red from Pitts that shows hindsight can be a wonderful thing.

(And no-one should worry about the effort involved on my part as it only took a couple of minutes to find a date for the signing, go to the article and copy and paste it here.)


Headingley Pitts stop is dream come true for Wildcat Jay
14th July 2009


Former season ticket holder Jay Pitts today described signing for Leeds Rhinos as an “unbelievable” opportunity. Rhinos will pay Wakefield Trinity Wildcats an undisclosed fee for the 19-year-old forward, who has joined them on a three-and-a-half year deal. A former England Academy international, Pitts made his Super League debut last season and has played 22 first-team games for Wakefield, including 14 this season. “I supported Leeds from a young age and I was a season ticket holder, so it’s a great honour,” said Pitts, who admitted his “jaw dropped” when he first heard of the Rhinos’ interest. “I was watching Leeds six or seven years ago and now I’ll be playing with some of the same people. It is unbelievable. It is what I have always wanted to do. It is the pinnacle of my career so far and I don’t think there’s much more that can beat that, because it is a childhood dream that has been accomplished.” Pitts played for Wildcats reserves in their 34-16 loss to Leeds three days ago. He said: “It is a wrench to leave. Wakefield have helped me so much and they’ve done so much for me. But I think it’s one of those things I have to do to better my own game. I want the best for myself, but I can’t stress enough how good Wakefield have been to me. Opportunities like this don’t happen very often. If I didn’t take it, in a couple of years’ time I would be regretting it. It is one of those opportunities you’ve got to take. I will work my hardest and hopefully it will come good for me.
Pitts – who can play in the front or back row – added: “I’d love to play some Super League games for Leeds this season, but I need to work my way up first and get the respect of the players. That’s number one, then we’ll go from there.” Coach Brian McClennan said Pitts’ signing has been made “with a view to the future”. Said McClennan: “He has played some first grade already and he is young enough that he can play in our system next year for the under-20s. It is important we have that, if he doesn’t make our first grade side he can develop in our system.” The Leeds coach added: “We will have to work with him to build him up, we see him as a young prop coming through, more than a back-rower. He has got good, late footwork and we will work on him defensively. He has got an idea, he has got a bit of whack in him, and he will work with our coaching staff and we’ll help him get better at that.” Of Pitts’ chances of breaking into the senior side this year, McClennan said: “It’s up to him. He has to earn the respect of his team-mates, that’s the priority. There’s a pretty high caliber of player here and they are hard to impress. He has got to work hard, which he is prepared to do. He has got a good nature and very good character references, so he will fit in.” The Wildcats gave the Rhinos permission to approach Pitts, whose contract was due to end this autumn. Leeds chief executive Gary Hetherington confirmed the transfer was a straight cash deal, with no other player involved. Pitts’ arrival comes less than a week after the Rhinos signed young prop Kyle Amor, from Whitehaven. Hetherington said: “Bringing in quality young players will boost our squad. There’s no doubt we have been running light, particularly with our forward options this year.” Wildcats coach John Kear said: “Leeds inquired about Jay, we are open and honest with our players and we made him aware of that interest and he said he would like to listen to what they had to say. Leeds agreed terms with him, they agreed terms with us and subsequently, he has gone. I’d like to thank Jay for what he has done, he has developed immensely in the time he has been a full-time player and I feel he has got a great future in front of him. Leeds have got a very good player.” Kear said the deal had been done “amicably”. He added: “He has been very honest with us, Leeds Rhinos have as well and we feel we’ve been honest with the player concerned. It has been conducted as professional people should conduct such a move.”

I've highlighted in pink the parts that demonstrate that everyone was aware he'd have a job to do to "make it" and no promises were made.

Re: Jay Pitts denied a loan : Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:20 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Article reproduced in full from the YEP on the day the signing was announced ..... enjoy. It's a long winded piece so I've highlighted in blue what appears to be a potentially relevant point in the context of the discussion thus far.

There is also one highlighted in red from Pitts that shows hindsight can be a wonderful thing.

(And no-one should worry about the effort involved on my part as it only took a couple of minutes to find a date for the signing, go to the article and copy and paste it here.)


Headingley Pitts stop is dream come true for Wildcat Jay
14th July 2009


Former season ticket holder Jay Pitts today described signing for Leeds Rhinos as an “unbelievable” opportunity. Rhinos will pay Wakefield Trinity Wildcats an undisclosed fee for the 19-year-old forward, who has joined them on a three-and-a-half year deal. A former England Academy international, Pitts made his Super League debut last season and has played 22 first-team games for Wakefield, including 14 this season. “I supported Leeds from a young age and I was a season ticket holder, so it’s a great honour,” said Pitts, who admitted his “jaw dropped” when he first heard of the Rhinos’ interest. “I was watching Leeds six or seven years ago and now I’ll be playing with some of the same people. It is unbelievable. It is what I have always wanted to do. It is the pinnacle of my career so far and I don’t think there’s much more that can beat that, because it is a childhood dream that has been accomplished.” Pitts played for Wildcats reserves in their 34-16 loss to Leeds three days ago. He said: “It is a wrench to leave. Wakefield have helped me so much and they’ve done so much for me. But I think it’s one of those things I have to do to better my own game. I want the best for myself, but I can’t stress enough how good Wakefield have been to me. Opportunities like this don’t happen very often. If I didn’t take it, in a couple of years’ time I would be regretting it. It is one of those opportunities you’ve got to take. I will work my hardest and hopefully it will come good for me.
Pitts – who can play in the front or back row – added: “I’d love to play some Super League games for Leeds this season, but I need to work my way up first and get the respect of the players. That’s number one, then we’ll go from there.” Coach Brian McClennan said Pitts’ signing has been made “with a view to the future”. Said McClennan: “He has played some first grade already and he is young enough that he can play in our system next year for the under-20s. It is important we have that, if he doesn’t make our first grade side he can develop in our system.” The Leeds coach added: “We will have to work with him to build him up, we see him as a young prop coming through, more than a back-rower. He has got good, late footwork and we will work on him defensively. He has got an idea, he has got a bit of whack in him, and he will work with our coaching staff and we’ll help him get better at that.” Of Pitts’ chances of breaking into the senior side this year, McClennan said: “It’s up to him. He has to earn the respect of his team-mates, that’s the priority. There’s a pretty high caliber of player here and they are hard to impress. He has got to work hard, which he is prepared to do. He has got a good nature and very good character references, so he will fit in.” The Wildcats gave the Rhinos permission to approach Pitts, whose contract was due to end this autumn. Leeds chief executive Gary Hetherington confirmed the transfer was a straight cash deal, with no other player involved. Pitts’ arrival comes less than a week after the Rhinos signed young prop Kyle Amor, from Whitehaven. Hetherington said: “Bringing in quality young players will boost our squad. There’s no doubt we have been running light, particularly with our forward options this year.” Wildcats coach John Kear said: “Leeds inquired about Jay, we are open and honest with our players and we made him aware of that interest and he said he would like to listen to what they had to say. Leeds agreed terms with him, they agreed terms with us and subsequently, he has gone. I’d like to thank Jay for what he has done, he has developed immensely in the time he has been a full-time player and I feel he has got a great future in front of him. Leeds have got a very good player.” Kear said the deal had been done “amicably”. He added: “He has been very honest with us, Leeds Rhinos have as well and we feel we’ve been honest with the player concerned. It has been conducted as professional people should conduct such a move.”

Thanks tvoc, that was all that was needed, much appreciated. I wasn't going to make an issue of it, as I think I have been picked up incorrectly on what was said, but at least that backs up what my view was.