Re: James Segeyaro : Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:56 am  

leedsnsouths wrote:

Answer what? you have just resorted to insults which I think shows your childishness more than mine.

If the effort was there then the fitness clearly wasn't as we conceded soft tries all season.

Have you ever even played RL? Do you know how important the defensive structures are? Wigan won the GF because Wane spent most of the season solidifying his defence.
You can't ignore that Wire had a better defence in Round 1 than we managed all season.

I refer you to the post I referred you to last time.

And yes, you post like a child. It's not an insult, it's an observation. The world isn't simple - defend better and we'll be okay - that's how a child sees things.
Everyone knew we needed to defend better, I've given McD some grief recently but I do have some respect for the guy, of course he knew we needed to improve things - defence at key points in the game was probably top of the list. But he couldn't fix it it and players who the year before won the treble couldn't work it out.
By the way, that was the point I was making.

And yes to the other question as well as playing RU for best part of 30 years and coaching for 6 years.

Re: James Segeyaro : Sat Dec 03, 2016 3:29 am  

DHM wrote:

I refer you to the post I referred you to last time.

And yes, you post like a child. It's not an insult, it's an observation. The world isn't simple - defend better and we'll be okay - that's how a child sees things.
Everyone knew we needed to defend better, I've given McD some grief recently but I do have some respect for the guy, of course he knew we needed to improve things - defence at key points in the game was probably top of the list. But he couldn't fix it it and players who the year before won the treble couldn't work it out.
By the way, that was the point I was making.

And yes to the other question as well as playing RU for best part of 30 years and coaching for 6 years.

How is that childish? I don't think you understand sport, If you dot have the quality in the players you need to make sure you don't concede, ask Tony Pulis or Sam Allerdyce or Shaun Wane for that matter.

Yea everyone did know we needed to defend better, I would argue that a coach's job would be to sure up a defence, if not why even bother having a coach?

I have also played RU but as you may know, defending is very different in the two spots, being much more man on man in Union.

Last year we lacked any cohesion or structure and nobody trusted or understood their inside man, these are problems which can be fixed by work on the training ground (Are you gonna say we couldn't because or training ground was flooded?)
I think you are mixing up childishness with logic.

Re: James Segeyaro : Sat Dec 03, 2016 6:32 am  

Defence is as much about desire and attitude as it is about structure especially in broken play - Wigan had a desire to defend their line Leeds didn't that's Wane's skill. He had as much if not more injury disruption as McDermott but he managed to get the right attitude out of the players. McDermott just looked out of depth in adversity and looked for excuses this attitude spread to the team on the field.

The team didn't concede because the structures were wrong it was because the attitude was wrong and that came from the top

Re: James Segeyaro : Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:21 am  

I'd say the structures were clearly wrong, I think of all the games we won last year, only 1 was with Burrow starting as hooker. When your defensive structure is always changing because you have to hide a hooker who can't defend in the middle you're starting with one hand tied behind your back.

I also think fitness was clearly an issue last season. As well as an excuse culture which may have crept in

Re: James Segeyaro : Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:08 pm  

RL is a game of interconnected cycles. Vicious ones and virtuous ones.

Last year we struggled badly in a fair few ways. Early in the year we struggled to make yards, we dropped a lot of ball, our kicking games was appalling all year, our game management was poor all year.

When we dropped a lot of ball we had to defend more
When we struggled to make yards the opposition started their sets closer to our line and ours started further from theirs.
When our kicking game was poor we started defensive sets on the back foot, when we didn't make the right decisions we gave the opposition more chances and ourselves less.

This combined meant we conceded more points, had to chase more games, had to take more risks, so dropped more ball, made fewer yards, and under pressure made poor kicks and as we tired from all this extra defending in bad positions made more poor decisions.

The opposition meanwhile weren't doing that much defending, were being gifted ball in good positions and so were fresher and so they could make more yards, make better decisions all in better areas of the pitch.

If we can control the game better, make fewer mistakes, and with a better kicking and better game management, we will naturally see an improvement in our defending because we will be defending less, defending fresher, and defending in better areas of the field.

Re: James Segeyaro : Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:47 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

RL is a game of interconnected cycles. Vicious ones and virtuous ones.

Last year we struggled badly in a fair few ways. Early in the year we struggled to make yards, we dropped a lot of ball, our kicking games was appalling all year, our game management was poor all year.

When we dropped a lot of ball we had to defend more
When we struggled to make yards the opposition started their sets closer to our line and ours started further from theirs.
When our kicking game was poor we started defensive sets on the back foot, when we didn't make the right decisions we gave the opposition more chances and ourselves less.

This combined meant we conceded more points, had to chase more games, had to take more risks, so dropped more ball, made fewer yards, and under pressure made poor kicks and as we tired from all this extra defending in bad positions made more poor decisions.

The opposition meanwhile weren't doing that much defending, were being gifted ball in good positions and so were fresher and so they could make more yards, make better decisions all in better areas of the pitch.

If we can control the game better, make fewer mistakes, and with a better kicking and better game management, we will naturally see an improvement in our defending because we will be defending less, defending fresher, and defending in better areas of the field.

Eloquently put but where in Gods name are we going to find a stand off to provide us with the game management we need, that’s my main worry.

Re: James Segeyaro : Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:53 pm  

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... ddaa147019 So Chris Sandow has promised to knock out Todd Carney in their boxing match on Friday and then said he'll call out Segeyaro to step into the ring afterwards and knock him out too.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... ddaa147019 So Chris Sandow has promised to knock out Todd Carney in their boxing match on Friday and then said he'll call out Segeyaro to step into the ring afterwards and knock him out too.

[Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino]

Re: James Segeyaro : Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:30 am  

Unless he gets a better offer

Re: James Segeyaro : Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:48 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/chris-sandow-says-he-will-call-out-james-segeyaro-to-step-into-the-ring-during-fridays-charity-fight-night/news-story/af328eed8efcec5c177a4addaa147019

So Chris Sandow has promised to knock out Todd Carney in their boxing match on Friday and then said he'll call out Segeyaro to step into the ring afterwards and knock him out too.

I don't subscribe - is he just being a mouthy d1ck, or by calling Chicko out is he trying to prove he's king amongst contract-ditchers? Have to say I wouldn't fancy his chances against Solomona.

Re: James Segeyaro : Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:59 am  

Who cares. Its a mark of how dire boxing is in Australia that literally the only time you hear about it is when fighters from other sports take part (Mundine, SBW etc).