FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A)
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman4462
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 04 200223 years316th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 09:2411th Nov 24 13:50LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Dublin's fair city
Signature
Hail Stewie Griffin wrote:
All dumbies those Irish folk

So you've met my wife

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 12:59 pm  
Neruda wrote:
if there was no bias the bans would be equally distributed, surely?
werent we on 30% more bans than the next team when some journo did an analysis?

Probably, but you have to take account that our red /yellow card were much higher than other teams as well. We had a discipline problem that led to bans.
Neruda 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach702
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 15 200915 years198th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 19:2521st Nov 24 10:21LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:21 pm  
finglas wrote:
Probably, but you have to take account that our red /yellow card were much higher than other teams as well. We had a discipline problem that led to bans.

tell yourself what you want, but Martin didnt get a yellow and the match officials/MRP are independant of each other, so not sure how thats relevant?

edit: Catalans are level on us for red cards and only 3 behind in yellow (would be as bad as our record, if not worse, had they mircaulously been let off in our game) yet nowhere near us in bans - so our reputation counts against us, but theirs doesnt against them? seems like bias to me
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach3092No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 26 200619 years83rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Mar 23 22:1119th Feb 23 21:41LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
"Brian McDermott, with a wry smile, nods when asked if he remembers a specific incident which made him realise he was a prick. 'I do', he murmurs."

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:57 pm  
Neruda wrote:
tell yourself what you want, but Martin didnt get a yellow and the match officials/MRP are independant of each other, so not sure how thats relevant?

edit: Catalans are level on us for red cards and only 3 behind in yellow (would be as bad as our record, if not worse, had they mircaulously been let off in our game) yet nowhere near us in bans - so our reputation counts against us, but theirs doesnt against them? seems like bias to me

I'm not satisfied with the MRP or the disciplinary process but there's a lot of flawed logic here in trying to look at this pseudo-statistically, starting with it being such a small sample size that you can't and shouldn't draw dramatic conclusions (even if we were dealing with a population of similar incidents). Which we're not, each one is its own case so you simply can't draw the conclusions you're making.
simonw 
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain132
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 03 20186 years317th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 06:3830th Jul 24 05:50LINK
Milestone Posts
100
200
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 2:00 pm  
I think it's easy to get 'incompetence' and 'bias' mixed up sometimes
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member7398
JoinedServiceReputation
May 28 200222 years103rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
22nd Nov 24 22:1112th Nov 24 11:49LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Isca Dumnoniorum

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:01 pm  
Whatever we might think about this one-off incident, the RFL clearly have a huge problem with this year's disciplinary process. If they want to keep it, at the least they need to find a way to explain it to fans and the sport's media in a way we can understand, as well as taking greater steps to show fans that the process is genuinely independent (thinking about the histories and allegiances of ex-players on the panel), consistent, equitable and transparent - all things that look massively questionable at present.

I think we can all agree with many of the bans Leeds players have received this season, including those for Bentley and Tetevano, and even Newman's tantrum. It's the small 1-2 game bans that few people comment on during the game (including the match officials, apparently) that need looking at. Perhaps these smaller infringements can be dealt with in a different way?

On bias, while it seems that Leeds are disproportionately targeted in the heat of the moment, I doubt there is any statistically significant bias , even if we have had more bans than most other teams (?).

That said, one thing I'm not sure about is whether Catalans get special preferential treatment when playing at home - Brian Mac made this point a long time ago, and the treatment of Catalans players by match officials in recent years (on and off the field) has tended to confirm this sense (IMO). Remember the play-off game when McIlorum blatantly targeted Leeds players illegally, with no on-field action helping Catalans win the game? McIllorum went on to receive a lengthy ban, allowing Catalans to progress and ultimately benefiting their next round opponents (Saints).
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11377
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 26 200222 years192nd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
13th Nov 24 12:0830th Aug 24 09:23LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Much too far South

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 3:43 pm  
Exeter Rhino wrote:
That said, one thing I'm not sure about is whether Catalans get special preferential treatment when playing at home - Brian Mac made this point a long time ago, and the treatment of Catalans players by match officials in recent years (on and off the field) has tended to confirm this sense (IMO). Remember the play-off game when McIlorum blatantly targeted Leeds players illegally, with no on-field action helping Catalans win the game? McIllorum went on to receive a lengthy ban, allowing Catalans to progress and ultimately benefiting their next round opponents (Saints).


It happened to Saints this year - we lost by two points and two Catalans players picked up bans totalling EIGHT MATCHES afterwards for two bad incidents. Napa only got a yellow then got a five match ban (!) and Mcilorum was just a penalty then three matches.

Both were blatant but the Napa decision in particular was ridiculous.
RankPostsTeam
Club Captain2656No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 24 20205 years9th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 14:1124th Nov 24 22:07LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 4:26 pm  
The whole process is shrouded in mystery which eventually leads to fans drawing their own flawed conclusions. I wonder whether they might do better to focus on offenses that incurred yellow or red cards during the course of games, rather than scouring hours of video footage to "find" foul play. You could also give individual clubs the right to site players who they believe committed offences which they endangered their players. Might lead to an initial bun fight, but it would make both clubs and players accountable to themselves and each other, rather than the recipients of random justice.
Seth 
RankPostsTeam
Club Owner6724No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 16 200421 years7th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 17:2420th Nov 24 19:55LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Meltham

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:31 pm  
Ban increased, what a fkin joke. Gutted for him. We need to use this as extra motivation.
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach74No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 30 200916 years336th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
3rd Dec 23 07:4417th Sep 23 06:06LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:34 pm  
Its about time something was done about those muppets in charge!
RankPostsTeam
Fringe Player882No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 17 20223 years98th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
24th Nov 24 17:1115th Nov 24 17:56LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: SL PO E | Catalan Dragons (A) : Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:39 pm  
I wish I could say I expected anything more than the panels favourite word beginning with F…
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 169 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to Leeds Rhinos


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
How many games will we win
Willzay
30
31m
Salford placed in special measures
Dannyboywt1
96
54m
Salford
karetaker
29
57m
Film game
karetaker
5690
Recent
Its all gone a bit quiet
Victor
25
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
ArthurClues
505
Recent
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
1m
Salford placed in special measures
Dannyboywt1
96
2m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
24
2m
Its all gone a bit quiet
Victor
25
2m
Transfer Talk V5
ArthurClues
505
2m
Shopping list for 2025
DSJ1983
5585
2m
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
2m
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2600
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Willzay
30
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
29
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
962
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
593
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1328
England's Women Demolish The W..
1156
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1384
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1180
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1437
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1978
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2185
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2431
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1995
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2235
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2704
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2129
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2202
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington - Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4m
How many games will we win
Willzay
30
31m
Salford placed in special measures
Dannyboywt1
96
54m
Salford
karetaker
29
57m
Film game
karetaker
5690
Recent
Its all gone a bit quiet
Victor
25
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
ArthurClues
505
Recent
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
1m
Salford placed in special measures
Dannyboywt1
96
2m
Super League
Dr Dreadnoug
24
2m
Its all gone a bit quiet
Victor
25
2m
Transfer Talk V5
ArthurClues
505
2m
Shopping list for 2025
DSJ1983
5585
2m
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
2m
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2600
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Spirit of the Rhinos
MrPotatoHead
1
TODAY
Mike Ogunwole
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Bailey Dawson
Wanderer
1
TODAY
2024
REDWHITEANDB
14
TODAY
Dan Norman Retires
Cokey
1
TODAY
How many games will we win
Willzay
30
TODAY
Leigh Leopards - 2025 Fixtures
Bent&Bon
6
TODAY
Catalan Away
Dannyboywt1
6
TODAY
2025 Betfred Super League Fixtures
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
2025 fixtures
Smiffy27
15
TODAY
Fixtures
Willzay
13
TODAY
Salford
karetaker
29
TODAY
WCC Off
Choc Ice
11
TODAY
Leeds away first up
FIL
50
TODAY
Jake McLoughlin
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Assistant Coach - Langley
exiledrhino
30
TODAY
Noah Booth out on loan
Big lads mat
22
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
962
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
593
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1328
England's Women Demolish The W..
1156
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1384
Operational Rules Tribunal –..
1180
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1437
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
1978
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2185
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2431
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
1995
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2235
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
2704
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
2129
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
2202


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!