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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:49 pm  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
Blowing a kiss at an opponent less than a month after returning from a ban for a homophobic comment.

That's not silly, daft, stupid?


No.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:51 pm  
ThePrinter wrote:
Whilst a delightful work based tale it's a completely ridiculous comparison. Are you employed to spot and hear all work colleagues crimes? Doesn't sound like it.


As an employee I was under strict instructions to report any suspicions of theft to my employee, as we all were. By knowing of theft and refusing to report it I could have been found complicit about it.

Just as me and my friend heard him allude to stealing things, it was also possible that someone else could have overheard and reported the conversation.

Me and my friend could have also been sacked.

Silverwood is paid and expected to spot all misdemeanours whether physical or verbal. That Child didn't act too at the time then the "they both just forgot at the time but remembered several hours after the game" is without doubt the most ridiculous claim I seen put forward about this whole saga and you're not the only one to come up with such stubborn daftness.


You've reffed many games of SL rugby?

I think refs see and hear tonnes of things that they quickly ignore because they are under such massive pressure. IMO refs will hear threats of violence all the time that they have to forget because someone else has made a break and is going to score.

I'm not a fan of Silverwood, or any ref. A ref's a ref and part of their job is to take about whenever they make a decision against my team. But Silverwood is one of the top refs in SL and deserves the benefit of the doubt as much as anyone.

If he's made an error in any way then he should be given a proper hearing, not the abuse he is getting.

If all the people throwing abuse at Silverwood can do better than they should STFU and take his job. I've never tried reffing, but I doubt if I put in ten years at it I'd come close to matching Silverwood. And I happen to think I know a fair amount about RL.

So I don't want Silverwood to be given mindless and incorrect abuse any more than I want Zak to receive it. We are all RL people, we should effing well act like it.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:52 pm  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
Blowing a kiss at an opponent less than a month after returning from a ban for a homophobic comment.

That's not silly, daft, stupid?


That's right.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:54 pm  
IMO refs will hear threats of violence all the time that they have to forget because someone else has made a break and is going to score.

correct. but you don't forget. you wait till the next break in play and deal with it.as i and every other referee does. as silverwood has countless times
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:56 pm  
tad rhino wrote:
i've refereed for 20 years and never, ever recalled a comment that i'd forgotten earlier. in fact players can spout loads of swearwords at you and you remember every single one as you report it later


It seems that's where we're at with those in the Hardaker 'guilty' camp. The refs just simply forgot they heard those comments, genuine error.....but remembered them post match.....even the ref who was apparently directly called a "f*g" just let it slip through his mind at the time as he was too busy reffing a match to actually discipline a player for something he's put there to discipline in the first place.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:58 pm  
tad rhino wrote:
i've refereed for 20 years and never, ever recalled a comment that i'd forgotten earlier. in fact players can spout loads of swearwords at you and you remember every single one as you report it later


So you sent off every single player who swore at you?

You knew every single player who swore when they did swear?

You never had to deal with a serious injury at the same time as another player swore at you?

You were always sure of who the recipient of abuse was and who was sending it?

Did you ever rise above u11 level?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:01 pm  
tad rhino wrote:
IMO refs will hear threats of violence all the time that they have to forget because someone else has made a break and is going to score.

correct. but you don't forget. you wait till the next break in play and deal with it.as i and every other referee does. as silverwood has countless times


Have you watched a SL game? Have a look at the PTB and see how many times a tacklers hand will accidentally find it's way into an opponents face or head. That's a clear offence and hardly ever pulled.

There's no way that refs list all the offences they hear or see or warn players. They give warnings to the most serious offences but there will be hundreds of offences that occur during a game that are forgotten as soon as they've happened.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:02 pm  
Is Silverwood getting abuse btw?

People are doubting/discrediting what he apparently heard and believe something fishy has gone on......I can't see the 'abuse' as is claimed, if you want proper personal abuse you should follow what people have launched towards Hardaker in the last few days (and going by his tweet, also towards his family) all because he blew a kiss and MIGHT'VE said a certain word.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:03 pm  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
So you sent off every single player who swore at you?

no. its all in the context and how they say it

You knew every single player who swore when they did swear?

no, thats impossible. in silverwoods case play had stopped.

You never had to deal with a serious injury at the same time as another player swore at you?

yes, lots of times

You were always sure of who the recipient of abuse was and who was sending it?

doesn't matter who the recipient was.

Did you ever rise above u11 level?


i refereed football league
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:05 pm  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
Have you watched a SL game? Have a look at the PTB and see how many times a tacklers hand will accidentally find it's way into an opponents face or head. That's a clear offence and hardly ever pulled.

There's no way that refs list all the offences they hear or see or warn players. They give warnings to the most serious offences but there will be hundreds of offences that occur during a game that are forgotten as soon as they've happened.



again players are carded for persistently infringing the laws of the game. you have to keep in your head who has done what and how many fouls.hard to do but the higher you go you get help from the sidelines
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