Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:23 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Is Silverwood getting abuse btw?

People are doubting/discrediting what he apparently heard and believe something fishy has gone on......I can't see the 'abuse' as is claimed, if you want proper personal abuse you should follow what people have launched towards Hardaker in the last few days (and going by his tweet, also towards his family) all because he blew a kiss and MIGHT'VE said a certain word.

The irony is the type of people that give out that type of abuse are probably the least likely people to give 2 sh*ts about the word he allegedly used and dare i say it the most likely people to use the term themselves. They just want an excuse to have a go.

They are cockroaches and need exterminating.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:24 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Is Silverwood getting abuse btw?

People are doubting/discrediting what he apparently heard and believe something fishy has gone on......I can't see the 'abuse' as is claimed, if you want proper personal abuse you should follow what people have launched towards Hardaker in the last few days (and going by his tweet, also towards his family) all because he blew a kiss and MIGHT'VE said a certain word.

I think Leeds Rhinos, the biggest club in English RL, have pretty much openly questioned the integrity of one of the top refs in the game. Such is the nature of the comments that Leeds have made I'd suggest that some of the mud will stick. Given the insane levels of hysteria over this issue I doubt that Silverwood's reputation hasn't taken a massive beating which he will struggle to overcome.

That, to me, is a form of abuse and I don't like it. I think Leeds were out of order.

Idiots on twitter will always talk rubbish. I don't know if Silverwood has received similar abuse or not. TBH I don't care. I don't think either Zak or Silverwood should be on twitter in the first place. But I think Silverwood has received a lot of flack over this that he simply might not deserve at all.

I also think it's possible that Silverwood has screwed up and he could be an ex ref soon. I don't know. But I don't think Leeds should have been rushing straight to the press with their statement, this issue should have been dealt with professionally. Just like everyone is saying the RFL should have done with Zak.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:27 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

I think Leeds Rhinos, the biggest club in English RL, have pretty much openly questioned the integrity of one of the top refs in the game. Such is the nature of the comments that Leeds have made I'd suggest that some of the mud will stick. Given the insane levels of hysteria over this issue I doubt that Silverwood's reputation hasn't taken a massive beating which he will struggle to overcome.

Good.

If hardaker goes down it will be a small crum of comfort to seel silverwood go down too.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:39 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

I think Leeds Rhinos, the biggest club in English RL, have pretty much openly questioned the integrity of one of the top refs in the game. Such is the nature of the comments that Leeds have made I'd suggest that some of the mud will stick. Given the insane levels of hysteria over this issue I doubt that Silverwood's reputation hasn't taken a massive beating which he will struggle to overcome.

That, to me, is a form of abuse and I don't like it. I think Leeds were out of order.

Idiots on twitter will always talk rubbish. I don't know if Silverwood has received similar abuse or not. TBH I don't care. I don't think either Zak or Silverwood should be on twitter in the first place. But I think Silverwood has received a lot of flack over this that he simply might not deserve at all.

I also think it's possible that Silverwood has screwed up and he could be an ex ref soon. I don't know. But I don't think Leeds should have been rushing straight to the press with their statement, this issue should have been dealt with professionally. Just like everyone is saying the RFL should have done with Zak.

A couple of pages ago you said Hardaker's reputation will be exactly the same as it was before the Saints game even though he's now been accused a SECOND time of a gay slur.

Yet you now protest that Silverwood's reputation may never recover from Leeds questioning the timeline of events between the match officials and RFL.

Oh dear.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:54 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

I think Leeds Rhinos, the biggest club in English RL, have pretty much openly questioned the integrity of one of the top refs in the game. Such is the nature of the comments that Leeds have made I'd suggest that some of the mud will stick. Given the insane levels of hysteria over this issue I doubt that Silverwood's reputation hasn't taken a massive beating which he will struggle to overcome.

That, to me, is a form of abuse and I don't like it. I think Leeds were out of order.

Idiots on twitter will always talk rubbish. I don't know if Silverwood has received similar abuse or not. TBH I don't care. I don't think either Zak or Silverwood should be on twitter in the first place. But I think Silverwood has received a lot of flack over this that he simply might not deserve at all.

I also think it's possible that Silverwood has screwed up and he could be an ex ref soon. I don't know. But I don't think Leeds should have been rushing straight to the press with their statement, this issue should have been dealt with professionally. Just like everyone is saying the RFL should have done with Zak.

I don't agree it's a form of abuse Leeds have rightly IMO questioned the time line. I think it's right we made this public as I have no confidece in the RFL dealing with the issues in private. They cannot just brush it under the Carpet which is what I think they would have tried to do.
GH has been a vocal supporter of the RFL, which might be in jeopardy now

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:02 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

A couple of pages ago you said Hardaker's reputation will be exactly the same as it was before the Saints game even though he's now been accused a SECOND time of a gay slur.

Yet you now protest that Silverwood's reputation may never recover from Leeds questioning the timeline of events between the match officials and RFL.

Oh dear.

I'll make it clear for you. Even though I think I already have been.

My opinion of Zak, purely from what I've read on here from Leeds fans, is that he's a bit of an idiot with a string of moronic offences. One more offence is hardly damaging his reputation, merely confirming how daft he really is. His reputation remains pretty much the same.

Silverwood, on the other hand, is pretty much being accused of lying over hearing something to justify a witch hunt on their player. Seeing as he is a referee and a referees integrity is pretty much essential, questioning his integrity is a massive thing for the biggest club in the country to do. While many supporters will have already thought he was a vvanker, a dreadful ref or any number of things, very few will have truly thought he should be tossed from the game. There have been many people wanting him gone on threads in rlfans. His reputation has clearly been damaged and I think Leeds Rhinos have acted disgracefully over this.

In a similar way, the reputation of the RFL hasn't been damaged either. Everyone thought they were worthless before and they still think they are worthless. It's just more evidence to confirm what they already felt anyway.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:18 pm  

Ferdy wrote:

I don't agree it's a form of abuse Leeds have rightly IMO questioned the time line. I think it's right we made this public as I have no confidece in the RFL dealing with the issues in private. They cannot just brush it under the Carpet which is what I think they would have tried to do.
GH has been a vocal supporter of the RFL, which might be in jeopardy now

I think the RFL have probably made an error by telling the press they were investigating the incident and naming him. IMO they'll regret that and accept they messed up. IMO it could have been an easy mistake for a press officer to do and they were probably under pressure from the press not to be seen as condoning "homophobia".

But after Leeds complained so loudly about their employee wrongly being named, I think it's a bit ridiculous for them to pretty much accuse the RFLs employees of carrying out a witch hunt and inferring that Silverwood is lying.

If GH supported the RFL before then IMO he should still support them. But it's RL politics and I have little interest in it.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:10 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote: Given the insane levels of hysteria over this issue I doubt that Silverwood's reputation hasn't taken a massive beating which he will struggle to overcome. Silverwood's reputation will be at the same low level it was before this incident after this incident. Did you miss the link earlier in the thread to Sliverwood's previous suspensions by the RFL? Have a read of this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/14995646 You are not concerned about Hardaker's reputational damage because of past indiscretions yet very concerned about Silverwood's reputation despite his equally poor track record. I'll take the opinion of the other Senior (Keith) about Silverwood that he publicly stated after a WCC a few years ago. He's an appalling referee and if this latest furore leads to him finding some other form of employment the game will be better for it. He, like Hardaker, is clearly an idiot with a rap sheet. However, at least Hardaker is very, very good at what he does.

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote: Given the insane levels of hysteria over this issue I doubt that Silverwood's reputation hasn't taken a massive beating which he will struggle to overcome. Silverwood's reputation will be at the same low level it was before this incident after this incident. Did you miss the link earlier in the thread to Sliverwood's previous suspensions by the RFL? Have a read of this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/14995646 You are not concerned about Hardaker's reputational damage because of past indiscretions yet very concerned about Silverwood's reputation despite his equally poor track record. I'll take the opinion of the other Senior (Keith) about Silverwood that he publicly stated after a WCC a few years ago. He's an appalling referee and if this latest furore leads to him finding some other form of employment the game will be better for it. He, like Hardaker, is clearly an idiot with a rap sheet. However, at least Hardaker is very, very good at what he does.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:52 pm  

G1 wrote: Silverwood's reputation will be at the same low level it was before this incident after this incident. Did you miss the link earlier in the thread to Sliverwood's previous suspensions by the RFL? Have a read of this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/14995646 You are not concerned about Hardaker's reputational damage because of past indiscretions yet very concerned about Silverwood's reputation despite his equally poor track record. I'll take the opinion of the other Senior (Keith) about Silverwood that he publicly stated after a WCC a few years ago. He's an appalling referee and if this latest furore leads to him finding some other form of employment the game will be better for it. He, like Hardaker, is clearly an idiot with a rap sheet. However, at least Hardaker is very, very good at what he does. If Silverwood is as bad as you claim then he should have been replaced by superior referees. The fact that he's refereed some of the biggest games in the country suggests he is no way as bad as you claim. Keith Senior wrote: I would like to apologise for any offence caused by my comments Unfortunately, I let my emotions get the better of me. Having had time to reflect on my comments, I appreciate that, like us players, referees have a difficult job to do and we do not have a game without them. I give the benefit of the doubt for Zak in regard to this incident and I give the benefit of the doubt to Silverwood as well. The fact that Silverwood MAY HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG and yet people are wishing for him to be forced out of RL is utterly disgusting. Zak can survive the fallout from this because he is clearly rated so highly as a player. Even if he did it he'll pretty much be excused by most Leeds fans. As I've said many times before, I think his offence is minor anyway and disagree with the nonsense it's created. But referees are pretty much hate figures by default anyway. But Leeds Rhinos have pretty much caused you and a few other Leeds fans to wish for his removal from RL simply on the basis of the Leeds statement. If that statement wasn't made by GH there's no way you'd be calling right now for Silverwood to go and you know it. If Silverwood has lied about hearing something and it's proven then he's pretty much done. And he'll deserve it. But it is only the Leeds Rhinos comments which have people question that. IMO Hardaker's offence, even if he did do it as suggested, is a pathetically trivial offence that I think is being overblown. But I am pretty much disgusted by the way Leeds have singled out Silverwood so publicly when he might be completely innocent. If Silverwood is innocent of any wrongdoing I'd be tempted to walk from RL if I was him. And if he goes I'd hope that the rest of the top refs go with him.

G1 wrote: Silverwood's reputation will be at the same low level it was before this incident after this incident. Did you miss the link earlier in the thread to Sliverwood's previous suspensions by the RFL? Have a read of this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-league/14995646 You are not concerned about Hardaker's reputational damage because of past indiscretions yet very concerned about Silverwood's reputation despite his equally poor track record. I'll take the opinion of the other Senior (Keith) about Silverwood that he publicly stated after a WCC a few years ago. He's an appalling referee and if this latest furore leads to him finding some other form of employment the game will be better for it. He, like Hardaker, is clearly an idiot with a rap sheet. However, at least Hardaker is very, very good at what he does. If Silverwood is as bad as you claim then he should have been replaced by superior referees. The fact that he's refereed some of the biggest games in the country suggests he is no way as bad as you claim. Keith Senior wrote: I would like to apologise for any offence caused by my comments Unfortunately, I let my emotions get the better of me. Having had time to reflect on my comments, I appreciate that, like us players, referees have a difficult job to do and we do not have a game without them. I give the benefit of the doubt for Zak in regard to this incident and I give the benefit of the doubt to Silverwood as well. The fact that Silverwood MAY HAVE DONE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG and yet people are wishing for him to be forced out of RL is utterly disgusting. Zak can survive the fallout from this because he is clearly rated so highly as a player. Even if he did it he'll pretty much be excused by most Leeds fans. As I've said many times before, I think his offence is minor anyway and disagree with the nonsense it's created. But referees are pretty much hate figures by default anyway. But Leeds Rhinos have pretty much caused you and a few other Leeds fans to wish for his removal from RL simply on the basis of the Leeds statement. If that statement wasn't made by GH there's no way you'd be calling right now for Silverwood to go and you know it. If Silverwood has lied about hearing something and it's proven then he's pretty much done. And he'll deserve it. But it is only the Leeds Rhinos comments which have people question that. IMO Hardaker's offence, even if he did do it as suggested, is a pathetically trivial offence that I think is being overblown. But I am pretty much disgusted by the way Leeds have singled out Silverwood so publicly when he might be completely innocent. If Silverwood is innocent of any wrongdoing I'd be tempted to walk from RL if I was him. And if he goes I'd hope that the rest of the top refs go with him.

Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Thu Sep 04, 2014 9:05 pm  

You can blame Leeds, but considering they took their time with their statement it's clear they tried to gather the facts from the RFL's side of things.

If they're saying Silverwood has claimed to have heard something then it's most likely been because the RFL has told them that whilst discussing the details of the case.

If anybody has put Silverwood in the line of fire it's the RFL not Leeds.

They've possibly hung Silverwood out to dry, they've definately hung Hardaker out to dry.