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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:52 am  
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Its simple really - If the person who was allegedly on the receiving end of any comment does not take offence and/or does not wish to press charges then the matter should be dropped


So if the entire Hull squad and ground on the 12th targed JJB with slurs on his looks and beard you'd all be ok if JJB was?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:54 am  
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What I find so strange about you view, is that can you image had Keith Senior still been playing in what appears this modern game. There were not many who gave cheap shots, sledging, abuse to refs, etc, as much as him. What would his reputation be like today. The main party innocent in this is the player, yet you seem to want to somehow allude to him been the problem.


But Senoir escaped a drugs ban
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:15 am  
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You really need to wake up and get yourself out of the hole you are digging.

To be fair, had it been the first time this had happened, I kind of understand the situation you are wanting, but that is exactly what happened the first time it did happen. What we have now is different, under different circumstances, following different rules, no microphone pick up of what was said, and because it is happening again in such a short time the public perception is very different. Because of it happening again should be exactly why the RFL in changing their own procedures, should have at the very least have kept things private. Why you seem incapable of understanding all that I do not know.


I have said that the RFL messed up by saying they were investigating it. I believe that they did that under pressure or it was possibly just a press officer messing up. I don't think the RFL want this any more than Leeds do.

What I find so strange about you view, is that can you image had Keith Senior still been playing in what appears this modern game. There were not many who gave cheap shots, sledging, abuse to refs, etc, as much as him. What would his reputation be like today. The main party innocent in this is the player, yet you seem to want to somehow allude to him been the problem.


I don't know whether Zak is innocent or guilty. He is innocent until proven guilty but being declared innocent means there has to actually be a process, a process that Leeds don't seem to want to see.

I think Keith was doing his job. I don't think he was particularly mouthy or dirty, but I definitely think he wasn't going to take anything without giving it back. That to me is just RL. When Keith crossed the line I was more than willing to admit he'd done it.

Leeds haven't gone to war with the RFL, they have defended the position of the player quite clearly (which is something the RFL should also have taken into account), and questioned what the RFL are doing in going against their own systems to answer to a social media campaign, without any proof to warrant such a change. All organisations are there to be questioned, if it's members feel something is not right.


I'm a Leeds fan. I have massive respect for GH. I hope that Zak is found innocent because he didn't do what he is accused of. I can understand why Leeds might want to curtail the process if he did do it because IMO the punishment will be massively harsh considering the crime.

But I'm saying it as I see it. Just because I'm a Leeds fan doesn't mean I should always think what Leeds do is right. Over the statement I feel that Leeds were wrong and I have stated why. I might be completely wrong and if I am then people will be able to judge for themselves. But IMO most of the defence of Zak is purely based on Rhinos tinted glasses.

Like I said, look at the first incident against Wire, and how the player, the club, and the RFL handled it, where the proof was there straight away, not only by a microphone pick up but by the player himself saying exactly what he said straight away. It has been done right before. This time it is not right, and the club not only needed to set the position straight for the player, but for the players family (an area you just completely disregard).


The best thing for Zak is for a thorough investigation and to be declared innocent.

IMO the way Leeds have acted they seem to be wanting to stop an investigation from taking place. Given the nature of Leeds statement to the press oppo fans will then be able to say that the power of Leeds Rhinos managed to get Zak off. I don't think that is in Zak's interest, in Leeds interest of the interest of the sport of RL.

I don't know what Zak's family has to do with anything. I'd imagine that Silverwood's dad is pretty angry over the finger of blame being pointed at him too, but I couldn't care less about that either. If Zak has a nice labrador is that supposed to mean case over, he's a great guy and we don't need to think any further about anything? I just don't get what Zak's family has to do with anything.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:22 am  
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So if the entire Hull squad and ground on the 12th targed JJB with slurs on his looks and beard you'd all be ok if JJB was?


I'd have thought half the Leeds team would give him crap about the beard, because his beard looks ridiculous. I don't think he'd give a toss.

Has beard and looks abuse been banned by the RFL? I think you've gone round the bend mate. (Which I'm well aware will be some contravention of discrimination against people with mental illnesses, but I simply don't GAF.)
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:28 am  
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I don't know what Zak's family has to do with anything. I'd imagine that Silverwood's dad is pretty angry over the finger of blame being pointed at him too, but I couldn't care less about that either. If Zak has a nice labrador is that supposed to mean case over, he's a great guy and we don't need to think any further about anything? I just don't get what Zak's family has to do with anything.


I think the point the poster was making was that the allegations made about an individual player impact more than just the player concerned - in this case it has an impact on ZH, but also impacts on his family who definitely are innocent.

Sort of like if your partner / child / parent is accused publically of having done something illegal or wrong and is subject to an investigation - being someone close to the alleged means that it has a massive impact on you too; people look at you differently, you feel the stress of the 'question mark' hanging over your relative, etc.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:29 am  
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So if the entire Hull squad and ground on the 12th targed JJB with slurs on his looks and beard you'd all be ok if JJB was?


Personally - Yes

So called 'sledging' has been around for years - If the individual finds the comments offensive then he has the right to lodge an official complaint. I am not talking about clearly targetted abuse here, what I am talking about is something that happens in the heat of the moment - They are both totally different situations

Most people in 'contact sports' accept this and as many people have said shake hands at the end of a game and settle differences over a beer or two.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:35 am  
[quote="Lord God Jose Mourinho"]

I don't know whether Zak is innocent or guilty. He is innocent until proven guilty but being declared innocent means there has to actually be a process, a process that Leeds don't seem to want to see.

I'm a Leeds fan. I have massive respect for GH. I hope that Zak is found innocent because he didn't do what he is accused of. I can understand why Leeds might want to curtail the process if he did do it because IMO the punishment will be massively harsh considering the crime.


The best thing for Zak is for a thorough investigation and to be declared innocent.

Sorry in any aspects of the law - legal or civil Zak is innocent until proven guilty - Its just a play on words but the RFL should not conduct an investigation to prove him innocent but to prove him guilty and I find that difficult if the 'suppossed recipient' is not offended by the alleged words.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:36 am  
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Dorry dont know what happened but my response is the last paragraph the rest should be a quote
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:45 am  
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But Senoir escaped a drugs ban

For taking Benalyin which is literally as performance enhancing as lemsip.

Or a sugary cup of tea
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:46 am  
Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:
I'd have thought half the Leeds team would give him crap about the beard, because his beard looks ridiculous. I don't think he'd give a toss.

Has beard and looks abuse been banned by the RFL? I think you've gone round the bend mate. (Which I'm well aware will be some contravention of discrimination against people with mental illnesses, but I simply don't GAF.)

You missed the point. I'm on about some of the vile racist abuse to be blunt
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