Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:44 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

If somebody said to you "come work for me, you will be nearer your friends and family, the weather is better, the job is better and i will pay you 3 times the salary but you cant work your notice period in your current job i need you to start work tomorrow." How many would decline the offer???

This situation with Segeyaro was always going to arise from the moment he was announced a Leeds player last season. He is too good a player to not be wanted by any NRL team in need of a 9.

Im shocked at how poor GH and McD handled the situation as i have previously said. Speaking so publically and with such anger was unneccassary all Leeds had to say was he isnt due back until Jan 3rd. I think they have created a bit of a mess now. If no deal can be done with an NRL team weve made it harder for Segeyaro to return.

Problem is Segeyaro didn't have to go public to the Aussie press. If he went to the club privately, said sorry to mess things up for you but I really want this opportunity that's come up and they could discuss it then he arguably would've stood a better chance of getting a release.

Once he made it a public thing I can't see how GH & McDermott can take the lets not say much route because all that would happen then is fans complaining that they aren't being told what's happening and that the silence from Leeds is deafening.

As for anger well it depends how you want to read GH's comments with regards to tone. McDermott's comments that you could hear sounded more like a guy who was disappointed rather than anger.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:55 am  

All fair points Printer but to me Segeyaro is contracted to Leeds and isnt due to return until Jan 3rd. Therefore all Leeds had to say was he is due back on Jan 3rd. There is no breach of contract, no integrity issue and no need to say anything publically until Jan 3rd when he does or doesnt turn up.

Ive not actually read Segeyaro say he is not coming back just that he doesnt want to and it will be hard for him. Now obviously what hes said privately we are not privvy to.

Personally i didnt see need for McD's press conference at all or GHs comments at this time.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:58 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

If somebody said to you "come work for me, you will be nearer your friends and family, the weather is better, the job is better and i will pay you 3 times the salary but you cant work your notice period in your current job i need you to start work tomorrow." How many would decline the offer???

This situation with Segeyaro was always going to arise from the moment he was announced a Leeds player last season. He is too good a player to not be wanted by any NRL team in need of a 9.

Im shocked at how poor GH and McD handled the situation as i have previously said. Speaking so publically and with such anger was unneccassary all Leeds had to say was he isnt due back until Jan 3rd. I think they have created a bit of a mess now. If no deal can be done with an NRL team weve made it harder for Segeyaro to return.

In what way does that relate to a RL contract only signed a few weeks previously when no NRL offer was forthcoming??
How GH/Mc.D reacted is no surprise for one this is a "Marquee" attraction of a signing & for the other more importantly the Team he was a genuine quality signing & a crucial part of the Team going forward after a dire year.
Now whilst i agree the situation which has arisen is of no surprise the reaction is exactly what was expected aswell.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 7:59 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

All fair points Printer but to me Segeyaro is contracted to Leeds and isnt due to return until Jan 3rd. Therefore all Leeds had to say was he is due back on Jan 3rd. There is no breach of contract, no integrity issue and no need to say anything publically until Jan 3rd when he does or doesnt turn up.

Ive not actually read Segeyaro say he is not coming back just that he doesnt want to and it will be hard for him. Now obviously what hes said privately we are not privvy to.

Personally i didnt see need for McD's press conference at all or GHs comments at this time.

That first paragraph was how the club reacted initially BEFORE JS went to the Aussie press the rest is a reaction to that interview.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:14 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

All fair points Printer but to me Segeyaro is contracted to Leeds and isnt due to return until Jan 3rd. Therefore all Leeds had to say was he is due back on Jan 3rd. There is no breach of contract, no integrity issue and no need to say anything publically until Jan 3rd when he does or doesnt turn up.

Ive not actually read Segeyaro say he is not coming back just that he doesnt want to and it will be hard for him. Now obviously what hes said privately we are not privvy to.

Personally i didnt see need for McD's press conference at all or GHs comments at this time.

The main headline to come out of McDermotts interview was that they expect him back January the 3rd and the first reactions on here were to call him delusional.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:23 am  

RHINO-MARK wrote:

In what way does that relate to a RL contract only signed a few weeks previously when no NRL offer was forthcoming??
How GH/Mc.D reacted is no surprise for one this is a "Marquee" attraction of a signing & for the other more importantly the Team he was a genuine quality signing & a crucial part of the Team going forward after a dire year.
Now whilst i agree the situation which has arisen is of no surprise the reaction is exactly what was expected aswell.

It relates to an employment contract which is what a contract is. Whilst to us supporters its a dream job to these guys its work and a career with plenty that dont enjoy it like we dont enjoy our job.

My point was its easy to criticise players for wanting to break a contract but in the same position we would do the same. Until Jan 3rd Segeyaro hasnt breached hos contract so at this point i cant understand Leeds' stance.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 8:43 am  

I agree Matty thgat is my understanding.
Whilst we know it is unlikely he will return on the 3rd Jan he still has a contract and might just turn up.
Why we then cancel his contract before the 3rd surely means we have broken the contract and he can walk away for free.
Maybe what we should have done is make plans behind the scenes to get a replacement i.e plan B and stayed with the message of "we expect him back and we are dissapointed to hear he is unhappy to return"
Yes of course we don`t want anyone who doesn`t want to play for us but then that`s not a reason to cancel his contract.
Let him do that.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 9:19 am  

Marty Grrrrrrrrrr! wrote:

It relates to an employment contract which is what a contract is. Whilst to us supporters its a dream job to these guys its work and a career with plenty that dont enjoy it like we dont enjoy our job.

My point was its easy to criticise players for wanting to break a contract but in the same position we would do the same. Until Jan 3rd Segeyaro hasnt breached hos contract so at this point i cant understand Leeds' stance.

It isn't just a straight forward employment contract though & breaking it has far more reaching consequences in terms of sponsorship/merchandise income as well as the disruption it causes to Team a contract he happily signed when no-one else was interested.
JS has publically stated his intent to stay in Australia so he is in effect in breach of his contract accirding to the Club im sure they'd know.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:54 pm  

chapylad wrote:

I agree Matty thgat is my understanding.
Whilst we know it is unlikely he will return on the 3rd Jan he still has a contract and might just turn up.
Why we then cancel his contract before the 3rd surely means we have broken the contract and he can walk away for free.
Maybe what we should have done is make plans behind the scenes to get a replacement i.e plan B and stayed with the message of "we expect him back and we are dissapointed to hear he is unhappy to return"
Yes of course we don`t want anyone who doesn`t want to play for us but then that`s not a reason to cancel his contract.
Let him do that.

TBF we don't know yet if we've cancelled his contract. Nothing official about it from either side yet.

Re: James Segeyaro : Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:05 pm  

I have a feeling Chicko will turn up in Jan and all will be forgotten - I hope!