Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:05 am  

Clearwing wrote:

:shock: or maybe it's the coach AND the players. If you think Saturday's game plan came from some sort of consensus between the players then I reckon you're mistaken.

Quite right.I'm sure Mac takes in the opinions of the likes of Sinfield and JP, thats a no brainer, but when it comes down to it the plans and tactics are laid at his door, and he gets the credit now just like he would be getting the boot on here had we lost.

I'm firmly in the camp we played the perfect cup final game plan to get the job done.Even when Cas got within 6 i never got the feeling we were in any real danger and were capable of moving through the gears were it required.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:27 am  

I'm not criticising B McD here, just making an observation... When we have won the cup people praise his tactics but after London and Bradford the blame is largely put at the players' feet. Surely, either the manager is ultimately responsible for all good and bad performances, or the players are ultimately responsible for good and bad performances.

A manager is meant to see what is going on in a game and 'manage' the situation to maximise the gain / limit the damage being caused. Not all management is tactics on the pitch, it is protecting people having shocking games, being aware of problems at home and the potential impact on the game, managing the subs and deciding the best team / combo of players for specific matches.

Now, I am of the view that the manager has overall responsibility so happily give him credit for Saturday, but similarly don't absolve him of any responsability when we have done badly and players haven't turned up - they are the two sides of being a manager. You get praise when it goes well and the finger pointed when it doesn't.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:53 am  

Jamie101 wrote:

I'm not criticising B McD here, just making an observation... When we have won the cup people praise his tactics but after London and Bradford the blame is largely put at the players' feet. Surely, either the manager is ultimately responsible for all good and bad performances, or the players are ultimately responsible for good and bad performances.

A manager is meant to see what is going on in a game and 'manage' the situation to maximise the gain / limit the damage being caused. Not all management is tactics on the pitch, it is protecting people having shocking games, being aware of problems at home and the potential impact on the game, managing the subs and deciding the best team / combo of players for specific matches.

Now, I am of the view that the manager has overall responsibility so happily give him credit for Saturday, but similarly don't absolve him of any responsability when we have done badly and players haven't turned up - they are the two sides of being a manager. You get praise when it goes well and the finger pointed when it doesn't.

Not really. It depends on the game and what happened in it. If in the Cup Final we had played with exactly the same tactics but the players had kept dropping the ball or falling off tackles then you would generally lay the blame at the players.
And vice versa for the coach.
It's a shared responsibility, along with the CEO too.

Personally I'm of the opinion that the players should gain most of the credit when we win and shoulder most of the blame when we don't play well, as I think they are primarily responsible for how they play.
That's not to say the coach isn't important or doesn't get any credit or blame. As I said it's a shared responsibility between coach, the players and the man responsible for putting the team together.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 8:58 am  

Just questions the need whether to buy a season ticket.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 9:07 am  

Him wrote:

Not really. It depends on the game and what happened in it. If in the Cup Final we had played with exactly the same tactics but the players had kept dropping the ball or falling off tackles then you would generally lay the blame at the players.
And vice versa for the coach.
It's a shared responsibility, along with the CEO too.

Personally I'm of the opinion that the players should gain most of the credit when we win and shoulder most of the blame when we don't play well, as I think they are primarily responsible for how they play.
That's not to say the coach isn't important or doesn't get any credit or blame. As I said it's a shared responsibility between coach, the players and the man responsible for putting the team together.

Well yeah, I see that it is a shared responsability but I guess at some point (to use your example) if the player does keep dropping the ball all the time, the manager can't do anything about that, no - but he can take the player off and say 'look, it isn't working and is making it harder for everyone else - so just sit out for a while and get your head right'.

I appreciate with 4 subs and limited interchanges there maybe isn't a great deal of room to do such things, but likewise the manager has a choice in how they respond to what is going on in front of them, even though they maybe can't affect specific choices (or errors) players are making.

But yes, I agree with your point - though the manager will naturally have the finger pointed at them first as they are the manager of the players.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 11:11 am  

thebloodbath wrote:

Just questions the need whether to buy a season ticket.

I am thinking after a 20 year abscence of a season ticket I might buy one for this coming season...taking the grandson

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:01 pm  

Time to through my hat in the ring.
Whilst the defeats to London and Bradford where shocking, as others have stated the sides picked where easily heed enough to win those games, and the players blew a big lead at London not the coach. I have been critacl at times of mac but he has now got his to and won 5 out of 7 possible finals, in 3 and4 5ths seasons. He has tried to manage resources and tactics the best he can and has got it wrong sometimes, but if in his next 302-3 seasons he has a similar strike rate that will do me.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:01 pm  

Time to through my hat in the ring.
Whilst the defeats to London and Bradford where shocking, as others have stated the sides picked where easily good enough to win those games, and the players blew a big lead at London not the coach. I have been critical at times of mac but he has now got us to and won 5 out of 7 possible finals, in 3 and 4/5ths seasons. He has tried to manage resources and tactics the best he can and has got it wrong sometimes, but if in his next 2-3 seasons he has a similar strike rate that will do me.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 2:46 pm  

Posted twice and I still can't understand whats trying to be said

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Aug 26, 2014 7:19 pm  

Out of interest, what do folk make of Powell's coaching on Saturday? I seem to recall a thread not long back in which a few were mooting him as a possible replacement for B Mc D. Me, I'll stick.