Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:43 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

Not that I disagree with you, because your point is correct. But from yesterday, we have Burrow, Singleton, Ward, Handley, Golding, Smith, and a lad who has possibly done more than most to deserve an opportunity, Sanderson, who can replace people.

Obviously though Burrow and Singleton would've played barring injury and Ward might effectively be replacing the injured Delaney in the 19. For the others I doubt Sutcliffe, Hall or Briscoe are the ones being targeted for a rest/holiday, especially the latter two. That just leaves a Cameron Smith type to come for someone like JJB or Ferres who have played a lot, which might happen but is hardly indicative of a mass squad holiday upon safety.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:20 pm  

ThePrinter wrote:

Obviously though Burrow and Singleton would've played barring injury and Ward might effectively be replacing the injured Delaney in the 19. For the others I doubt Sutcliffe, Hall or Briscoe are the ones being targeted for a rest/holiday, especially the latter two. That just leaves a Cameron Smith type to come for someone like JJB or Ferres who have played a lot, which might happen but is hardly indicative of a mass squad holiday upon safety.

But Sutcliffe and Briscoe's can also play other positions, and in reality so could Hall in the back row, should the benefits be better than the selections.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:24 pm  

hall in the back row? I really don't get it when people say that.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:37 pm  

Agree Tad, he can carry a ball but that's about it. Decent offload.

Can he tackle, no not really, can he run lines, no, is he able to put up with the constant beating you get in the pack as it is a completely different type of fitness.

Hall has at most half the skill set I'd want to see from a backrower.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:37 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

But Sutcliffe and Briscoe's can also play other positions, and in reality so could Hall in the back row, should the benefits be better than the selections.

They could play other positions but with regards to the posters original point that we were targetting to win the opening 4 so we could send some players on holiday.....I seriously doubt before the Middle 8's started we thought and spread the word so that some random guy on an Internet could spread it further that we'd just win the first 4 games (which won't guarantee safety) and send guys on holiday and play Sutcliffe back at HB, Briscoe at centre and Hall at 2nd row.

If we guarantee safety with a game/s to spare then yes I'm sure any guys who need off season operations will be sent to get them earlier, but only if/when it's possible and not for them to have a holiday.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:46 pm  

Barrie's Glass Eye wrote:

Agree Tad, he can carry a ball but that's about it. Decent offload.

Can he tackle, no not really, can he run lines, no, is he able to put up with the constant beating you get in the pack as it is a completely different type of fitness.

Hall has at most half the skill set I'd want to see from a backrower.

The problem is some people only think about the attacking side of the game. In attack he might make a decent 2nd rower with time, but defensively the guy has even admitted that he hates tackling so he isn't ever going to make a backrower with that attitude, probably not even a centre too.

It's quiet strange, but for a guy who is so damaging and physical when carrying the ball he really doesn't like the physical aspect. Heard that when he was a kid his dad tried to send him to kickboxing lessons and he absolutely hated it because it was too rough and gave it up sharpish, and he ends up learning the piano and guitar instead.....yet can run over opposition wingers with ease like a brick wall. Strange mix but he's made a success of himself.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Mon Aug 22, 2016 11:04 am  

It's a good job London had no defensive work rate or we may have been in trouble.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Mon Aug 22, 2016 1:49 pm  

agree about Ryan hall. Great finishing winger, but there is no 2nd row forward in there for mine.

Tom briscoe to centre could be a possibility if the moon in the halves experiment keeps going.

I think McD may keep going with Moon at SO and JJB at prop with a view to assessing whether these are viable options for next season.

JJB is another of our greats who although now fit and working like a Trojan, does not really look mobile enough to defend out wide and to me can't really make the yardage at prop.

his influence and leadership may still outweigh the shortcomings overall.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Mon Aug 22, 2016 2:25 pm  

Thought Moon was anonymous in the halves on Saturday. On a day with swirling high winds the ball should have gone high in the air far more often on 5th tackle but we kicked poorly, Moon in particular looked like a rabbit in the headlights every time he got the ball on the last.
Keinhorst played very well at centre though so might be worth seen my if Moon can settle at 6. I think with a good 7 he might work.

The same issues exist though. Our defence up the middle is great head on but very slow to turn or cover sideways. Big holes. Segeyaro was very quiet and I was not impressed with him Saturday. I do agree with some comments from other clubs posters, a very large percentage of his passes from dummy half were forward - luckily they were all very short pops and not penalised.
We played very, very close to the ruck so not sure what his longer pass is like or how clever he is near the opponents line. His option as a kicker is welcome.
Near the opponents line we look hopeless.

Re: SLQ RD3 - London A. : Wed Aug 24, 2016 12:09 am  

Segeyaro plays that way because it allows him to decide late as to whether to run or not. At his best that makes him incredibly dangerous because he's so strong that he often beats the first defender, particularly if they have half an eye on the player he might pass to. At his worst it creates problems for ball carriers who can get clattered and lose possession as they're tackled so soon after getting the ball (or take their eye off the ball as they are so close to the defence when they get it).