Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:46 am  

Said it before, thanks McDermott but it's time for change.

Some really poor league finishes.

I think we are kidding ourselves that we have much chance in the play-offs after losing 5 in a row against 4 in the lowest places in the league and a team in poor form (saints)

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:00 am  

Been a 3 game season. Macdermott deserves massive praise for the game plans and performances v saints, Warrington and cas in the cup. Odd game apart it's been absolute garbage and he has take the criticism for that.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:05 am  

It's a good job the cup was so late in the season or we would be looking at missing the top 8 given our relegation form we have shown in the second half of the league this year.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:28 am  

5th, 5th, 3rd & 6th is pretty abysmal considering the talent he has had at his disposal.
He sure does not give value for money for the hardened supporter who go to all the regular season games.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:33 am  

ThePrinter wrote:

Why? It's basically the same side give or take.

No its not - the key players are significantly worse than they were then - Sinfield is nowhere near the player he was, he has been very poor this year, Peacock whilst closer than Sinfield to 2012 he hasn't had the impact he did, McGuire is slower and Burrow has less impact - as for JJB and Bailey the less said the better. This is an ageing side that has struggled to compete with the better sides in SL in SL. Its form in the second half of the season has been nothing short of pathetic - I can't see Wigan being too worried about pitching up against this side nor Huddersfield nor Warrington, nor Saints.
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Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:40 am  

I certainly wouldn't be bothered if he went to be honest,

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:48 am  

It is the current top 8 playoff system that is the reason teams such as Leeds are not giving value for money during the regular season. Wigan fans have been just as frustrated with some of their performances at times this year. Next season will be a different matter and we will have to show consistency. If we fail to make the top four next year then we have obviously not been good enough over the weekly rounds, at the moment it is the format that is the main problem.
I agree that our league form has been poor but to say the team can no longer compete with the top sides is plainly wrong when you consider that we have not lost by more than 6 points on all but 2 occasions.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:10 am  

The Magic Rat wrote:

It is the current top 8 playoff system that is the reason teams such as Leeds are not giving value for money during the regular season. Wigan fans have been just as frustrated with some of their performances at times this year. Next season will be a different matter and we will have to show consistency. If we fail to make the top four next year then we have obviously not been good enough over the weekly rounds, at the moment it is the format that is the main problem.
I agree that our league form has been poor but to say the team can no longer compete with the top sides is plainly wrong when you consider that we have not lost by more than 6 points on all but 2 occasions.

Leeds can compete fine with the top teams - as people have pointed out it is the teams at the bottom of the league that are the problem, seeing as we keep getting turned over by them whilst also being second best too!

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:18 am  

Jamie101 wrote:

Leeds can compete fine with the top teams - as people have pointed out it is the teams at the bottom of the league that are the problem, seeing as we keep getting turned over by them whilst also being second best too!

That has been true this season but in the past it has been the other way around. We have beaten the lower sides and struggled against the better teams until the playoffs. Next year will be different and I'm looking forward to that.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:32 am  

I'be been critical of McDermott, but haven't been in the McDermott Out camp since 2011. During that season we were awful, and he looked overwhelmed, but credit things were turned around and winning the Grand Final gave him deserved time. (It could all have been different though. If the last minute penalty at Wire in the semi hadn't been given, then he wouldn't have had that credit to bank)

Since then any misgivings about regular season form, mystifying substitutions, lack of attacking structure and plain value for money have been countered (except last year) with silverware. But looking forward, we need to plan for a new league structure where getting in the top 4 is vital. We need a coaching set-up that can guide us through a season and McDermott, with finishes of 5th, 5th, 3rd and 6th has consistently shown he can't do that. Even if we somehow turn our relegation form (9 points in the second half of the season) around and make the GF, the case for a change of coach is stronger than it has been since 2011.