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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:59 pm  
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How unlike you to be so dramatic (not)

Not like you to be sanctimonious,overbearing and boring
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:41 pm  
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I'd say the lad was ignorant of the meaning. Not an excuse that could be extended to the vast majority of adults.

It's not too long ago that Kelvin's Ferret used the term "window licker" on the sin bin. Now although I found it difficult to believe that an intelligent adult would not know the meaning of the term, his level of contrition convinced me that he truly did not know the meaning of the phrase he used.

I don't think I've criticised Hardaker per se. My criticisms have been saved for those who would simply dismiss all allegations against him as "banter"

I agree. But I'd also suggest that the word Hardaker is accused of using has been widely used without any homophobic intent or meaning on the part of the person saying it.

What I'm trying to say is that words true meaning are dependent on both context and the users intent.

For instance the lad I coached used, what is thought of as a homophobic word, but he didn't mean it as such and certainly isn't homophobic.

I've said earlier in the thread I have severe reservations about how this is being investigated by the RFL, I think it's setting a dangerous precedent. But that doesn't mean I think Hardaker is blameless.

Personally I don't think he's homophobic. I think he's yet another fine example of Jerry's Big Daft Lad Theory. I think he struggles to control himself and to compose himself in certain situations and has a lot of growing up to do. I think he just blurts out the first words that come into his head.

Personally I think, if it's proved he said it, Leeds should fine him for being so stupid after his first indiscretion and give him a final warning.

I am, however, uncomfortable with the governing body banning players for saying things on the pitch (other than at match officials). As I said I think it's opening up a very dangerous precedent for the RFL.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:01 am  
On YouTube they've been uploading full matches that have been shown on Sky this season. The game from the night before the Hardaker incident (Warrington vs Hudds) has been on for a few days and now the Wigan vs Leeds game is on there from a week later. Why isn't the Leeds vs Saints game on there so we can see exactly where Silverwood was stood when the Hardaker/Flanagan incident occurred?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:46 am  
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I agree. But I'd also suggest that the word Hardaker is accused of using has been widely used without any homophobic intent or meaning on the part of the person saying it.

What I'm trying to say is that words true meaning are dependent on both context and the users intent.

For instance the lad I coached used, what is thought of as a homophobic word, but he didn't mean it as such and certainly isn't homophobic.


If the word was used to describe someone as "soft" or not a "real man" then I'm sorry but it was homophobic, no matter how latent it may be. As I said, the lad could claim ignorance in mitigation and I would accept that but that's not an excuse available to any adult. We have a wonderful and diverse language, there are plenty of words in our lexicon that could be used, that carry no passive intent to slur the gay community.

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I've said earlier in the thread I have severe reservations about how this is being investigated by the RFL, I think it's setting a dangerous precedent. But that doesn't mean I think Hardaker is blameless.

Personally I don't think he's homophobic. I think he's yet another fine example of Jerry's Big Daft Lad Theory. I think he struggles to control himself and to compose himself in certain situations and has a lot of growing up to do. I think he just blurts out the first words that come into his head.

Personally I think, if it's proved he said it, Leeds should fine him for being so stupid after his first indiscretion and give him a final warning.

I am, however, uncomfortable with the governing body banning players for saying things on the pitch (other than at match officials). As I said I think it's opening up a very dangerous precedent for the RFL.


I agree, the whole thing is pisspotical: justice must be fair and it must be swift, to keep this hanging over Hardaker for so long is a farce. But it is the RFL we are dealing with here, an organisation that has never been known for exhibiting common sense.

It is also possible that some words are used without homophobic intent. After all, a phobia is an "irrational fear" of something. At the same time, there's no doubting the fact that such words (including what Hardaker is alleged to have said) are also used as an insult, no matter how mild. The simple question is: why should it be viewed as an insult to be gay or even different?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:32 pm  
been away 2 weeks, has ZH been hung/burnt at the stake yet?
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:04 pm  
still trying to find a lip reader who says what they want to hear i guess
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:39 pm  
fair enough. youd think it would be pretty quick to sort out. im sure i read on ZHs twitter that hes struggling to sleep with "all this hanging over my head" or words to that effect.... thats not on, it should be black and white if hes guilty or not.
i did read the rhinos statement. quality bit of "stfu" from the rhinos to RFL. fu
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:09 pm  
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL7eGgl ... xRvZm_CRQI

Leeds vs Saints match in full.

1h 37m in for the Hardaker incident
http://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PL7eGgl ... xRvZm_CRQI

Leeds vs Saints match in full.

1h 37m in for the Hardaker incident
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Sun Sep 14, 2014 12:39 pm  
My verdict - Zak should have tried running forwards instead of sideways.
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Re: Zak Hardaker - Statement : Mon Sep 15, 2014 1:14 pm  
So it's such a complicated case that two disciplinary meeting days will pass by without Hardaker being charged.

The Rhinos should put out another statement highlighting this fact & the effect the RFL's actions have had on hardaker.
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