Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:45 pm  

There's a long way to go before Leeds get back to the shallow grave they were in right at the start of SL. Is an average loss of 400-500 fans off the gate really going to force the CEO's hand?

If Leeds fans want change, then it's time to start voting for it with their wallets rather than just rocking up every week regardless.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:35 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

From a Chief Executive's viewpoint, unless your bottom line is suffering due to on-field performances where's the need for change?

Even in "real" business, CXs often care about more than just profit. Those in the sport business probably don't have it even top of their agenda. If it was, they would be in a different business, businessmen don't get into sport to get rich.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:44 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

There's a long way to go before Leeds get back to the shallow grave they were in right at the start of SL. Is an average loss of 400-500 fans off the gate really going to force the CEO's hand?

If Leeds fans want change, then it's time to start voting for it with their wallets rather than just rocking up every week regardless.

500 fans at £20 for 13 matches is £130k. You could sign some decent players for that money.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:08 pm  

There may not yet be a business case for a change of coach, especially after the much elusive CC has been finally brought back to Headingley (I gather it is more lucrative in prize money than winning the GF).

Purely from rugby perspective, I think now would be a good time for McDermott to move on. Otherwise, I think he has a lot to prove as a coach:

1. Most importantly, is he the man to manage the transition from our current dependence on Peacock and the increasingly erratic trio of McGuire, Burrow and Sinfield?

2. Can he get the current squad to realise its obvious potential? Perhaps they are already punching their weight - which takes us back to question one. The golden generation have ticked all the right career boxes now (apart from the seeming impossibility of international success): I hope the coach is prepared to put aside sentiment and make difficult decisions if he feels deep down they are warranted. If not, players who are spending long periods in the treatment room alternating with long periods of ropy form ought to take a look in the mirror themselves (another cliché!).

3. Is he the man to develop/sign-up the next hopefully successful generation? The progress of some players has been non-existent (Clarkson comes to mind), whereas for others it has been slow and bumpy (Achurch, Singleton and Sutcliffe), or even worse, appears to be regressing in the case of Stevie Ward, and possibly now Briscoe.

4. Although 2011 and 2012 were great, the coach has yet to demonstrate that he can take a team full of big names, some of whom have allegedly accepted pay-cuts to stay at Leeds, to regularly perform week-in week-out during the league, which is what the majority of dissatisfied fans would like to see. This does not necessarily mean going out full-tilt and blowing the season by July (which seems to have been what happened outside the CC). If this is not possible a return to the fabled days of being play-off kings would suffice (personally it was nice for the club to win the CC but the GF is still the greater prize IMO).

Contrary to the tone of my post, I am not calling McDermott to be fired, but rather asking whether he himself feels he has enough to offer to turn around what has been a dismal last few months aside from a single result, albeit an important one!

Ultimately we've been spoiled at Leeds in this last decade - all of us who were around for the previous decade would have snapped the hand of someone offering a third of what we've gone on to win. Perhaps this means that the club are going to be more patient than they used to be with coaches and playing staff, after stability has paid off for so long. But this may soon be an option that won't be there for much longer if things continue as they have been, especially considering the regular season and play-off outings of the last two years.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:16 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

There's a long way to go before Leeds get back to the shallow grave they were in right at the start of SL. Is an average loss of 400-500 fans off the gate really going to force the CEO's hand?

If Leeds fans want change, then it's time to start voting for it with their wallets rather than just rocking up every week regardless.

Season tickets are going to be hard sell this year, particularly with confusion over the schedule and maybe even doubts that we'll make the 8 given latest form. Will everyone be buying season tickets for potential home matches against Leigh and Batley or will they make sure, pick and choose and see? The potential drop-off could be a lot more than 400-500, particularly if United get their sh*t together.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 3:43 pm  

Has the pursuit of Challenge Cup success come at the expense of everything else this season? It would appear so. Was it worth it? Not in my opinion. How did Wigan (and others) manage the same situation so much better than we appear to have done. They too took their 'foot off the gas' in the final league run in last year, they too went on to win the Challenge Cup. They then mounted a successful GF campaign. We on the other hand patently didn't. I think it probably is time for McDermott to step down, frankly the garbage that I've seen Leeds produce over the last 2 seasons does make me think we need an injection of fresh thinking, new ideas, better recruitment and more successful tactics. So a new coach is imperative

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:12 pm  

Highbury Rhino wrote:

Has the pursuit of Challenge Cup success come at the expense of everything else this season? It would appear so. Was it worth it? Not in my opinion. How did Wigan (and others) manage the same situation so much better than we appear to have done. They too took their 'foot off the gas' in the final league run in last year, they too went on to win the Challenge Cup. They then mounted a successful GF campaign. We on the other hand patently didn't. I think it probably is time for McDermott to step down, frankly the garbage that I've seen Leeds produce over the last 2 seasons does make me think we need an injection of fresh thinking, new ideas, better recruitment and more successful tactics. So a new coach is imperative

Was the CC worth it : yes in my opinion, its a major trophy and it got a monkey off the clubs back.
With regard to Wigan ,they took a punt on Matty Smith,(Wasn't thier incumbant half back injured at the time),same with Blake Green.They took a gamble and it paid off.We could do with some of that same fortune.GH has not done too bad up to press.There does need to be some fresh ideas,but I am not suggesting BMc should be sacked but maybe a credable no 2 be brought in from the NRL to assist and perhaps ultimately succeed.This club still needs to operate with the salary cap AED.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 5:48 pm  

The problem is if you bring in a credible no 2 the writings on the wall for McDermott. If the team has a slump in form - as it has every year since he has been here - then the club has a ready made replacement easy to get shut!! That is why it will never happen whilst McDermott is coach

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:16 pm  

craigizzard wrote:

Season tickets are going to be hard sell this year, particularly with confusion over the schedule and maybe even doubts that we'll make the 8 given latest form. Will everyone be buying season tickets for potential home matches against Leigh and Batley or will they make sure, pick and choose and see? The potential drop-off could be a lot more than 400-500, particularly if United get their sh*t together.

Two things, firstly im never convinced there are that many fans who would jump ship to Elland Road If United got promoted. Secondly, im not sure leeds utd will ever get their sh*t together

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Tue Sep 23, 2014 9:19 pm  

The Eagle wrote:

Two things, firstly im never convinced there are that many fans who would jump ship to Elland Road If United got promoted. Secondly, im not sure leeds utd will ever get their sh*t together

Cellino on why he hired Leeds' new coach Milanic....

"I don't know why. Coaches are like watermelons, you don't know about them until you've opened them up."