Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sat Apr 25, 2015 6:26 pm  

as this topic is about brian mac and you question

morleys_deckchair wrote:

what you you get for a pair in this game?

in mac's case it's 2 grand final wins that make a pair,come back when you can make a pair of grand final wins....good game,good game

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:04 am  

nantwichexile wrote:

i agree. It is quite a fine art though and Leeds probably don't train so much on it. The likes of JJB and peacock get pinged for it as not quite fast enough to peel away in time.

I think JJB is dreadful at it, always really blatent even when he isn't penalised.

I'm sure there is a big contrast between how much time different coaches are willing to spend on the "dark arts" such as slowing the PTB. I've always got the impression that Tony Smith for example is quite heavily focused on skills and individual coaching and wouldn't make much time for it.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:39 am  

Omar Little wrote:

I think JJB is dreadful at it, always really blatent even when he isn't penalised.

I'm sure there is a big contrast between how much time different coaches are willing to spend on the "dark arts" such as slowing the PTB. I've always got the impression that Tony Smith for example is quite heavily focused on skills and individual coaching and wouldn't make much time for it.

JJB is like Senior used to be.Good for at least 1 penalty for holding down per game, (or so it seemed).Frustrating to watch at times

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Apr 26, 2015 3:55 pm  

Biff Tannen wrote:

JJB is like Senior used to be.Good for at least 1 penalty for holding down per game, (or so it seemed).Frustrating to watch at times

It can be frustrating but we missed it so much on Friday. Our play the ball was so slow, yet we failed to control the Ruck when they had the ball.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:40 pm  

regarding penalties that jjb concedes i believe that the more tackles a player makes in a game then he is far more likely to concede penalties, as is indicated by our best player this season stevie ward being guilty of conceding 7 penalties despite making 486 tackles imo jjb was having a great start to the season performance wise but he was found guilty of giving 5 penalties away,i'm not sure if these 5 penalties were all tackle related but when you look at his tackle stats in the games that the penalties were awarded against him you will find that his tackle counts were pretty high in those games http://www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/271 would you rather have a player in your 17 that gives away 0 penalties but who makes the odd tackle when hes on with also a couple of misses thrown in too? if you do then who is going to make those tackles? jjb will easily make our starting 17 each week when fit,especially when the big games come around irrespective of the annoying penalties he gives away

regarding penalties that jjb concedes i believe that the more tackles a player makes in a game then he is far more likely to concede penalties, as is indicated by our best player this season stevie ward being guilty of conceding 7 penalties despite making 486 tackles imo jjb was having a great start to the season performance wise but he was found guilty of giving 5 penalties away,i'm not sure if these 5 penalties were all tackle related but when you look at his tackle stats in the games that the penalties were awarded against him you will find that his tackle counts were pretty high in those games http://www.superleague.co.uk/matchday/player/271 would you rather have a player in your 17 that gives away 0 penalties but who makes the odd tackle when hes on with also a couple of misses thrown in too? if you do then who is going to make those tackles? jjb will easily make our starting 17 each week when fit,especially when the big games come around irrespective of the annoying penalties he gives away

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:53 pm  

You give more penalties away when you lose the collision, so it can be a snowball effect.

You start to lose the collision, you get on the back foot, you give penalties away. You do more tackling, you get fatigued, you start losing the collision.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Mon Apr 27, 2015 5:58 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

You give more penalties away when you lose the collision, so it can be a snowball effect.

You start to lose the collision, you get on the back foot, you give penalties away. You do more tackling, you get fatigued, you start losing the collision.

Spot on. Refs have a natural bias towards the side winning collisions - and rightly so. If you batter a runner you earn the right to control him a little longer, if the ball carrier wins he should be allowed to play the ball quickly.
Best way to win a collision with the ball is to avoid it. The best forwards have good feet and are difficult to get a big hit on. Gareth Ellis was very good, so are JJB and Ablett on a good day.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun May 10, 2015 7:24 pm  

A hapless defeat to a mediocre club like Widnes certainly will have the McDermott critics coming out of the woodwork.

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun May 10, 2015 9:29 pm  

A McDermott team speciality of a complete regular season capitulation look a possibility again.

But I will reserve judgement until we get Hall and Briscoe back.

I hope we were not holiding either back for the CC game, because it's important for us to keep out lead at the top this year

Re: For the love of God,Allah or whoever-McDermott GO!!! : Sun May 10, 2015 9:38 pm  

tenerifeRhino wrote:

A McDermott team speciality of a complete regular season capitulation look a possibility again.

But I will reserve judgement until we get Hall and Briscoe back.

I hope we were not holiding either back for the CC game, because it's important for us to keep out lead at the top this year

Hall get his cast off tomorrow so if he gets the ok he could play on Saturday.

Briscoe is still around 6 weeks away I believe.

Stevie Ward twisted an ankle today but didn't seem too bad after the game. Not heard why JJB missed out this week, he might've been not risked with next week in mind. Sinfield, even before today's game I didn't think he'd get picked but regardless of the result and performance, that he would play in the cup game next week.