looking at the 2 teams : Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:46 pm  

For anyone interested here are the averages per game for the the 2 teams.

Leeds - Saints
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Points: 24 - 22
Meters: 1329 - 1421
Carries: 197 - 212
Tackles: 298 - 346
Offloads: 14 - 15
Tackle busts: 33 - 29
Clean breaks: 7 - 5
Errors: 13 - 13
Penalties: 8 - 6

The one thing that sticks out to me is that Saints seem to be doing a lot more going forward and in defence than Leeds. Normally it's one or the other. Maybe Leeds games have just been at slower pace to Saints this year. The amount of tackles per game Saints seem to be making too may also be a reason why they have not been clicking going forward. Overall though after 5 rounds both teams look pretty even over the park.

Re: looking at the 2 teams : Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:49 pm  

Hollywood Harrigan wrote:

For anyone interested here are the averages per game for the the 2 teams.

Leeds - Saints
-----------------
Points: 24 - 22
Meters: 1329 - 1421
Carries: 197 - 212
Tackles: 298 - 346
Offloads: 14 - 15
Tackle busts: 33 - 29
Clean breaks: 7 - 5
Errors: 7 - 7
Penalties: 8 - 6

The one thing that sticks out to me is that Saints seem to be doing a lot more going forward and in defence than Leeds. Normally it's one or the other. Maybe Leeds games have just been at slower pace to Saints this year. The amount of tackles per game Saints seem to be making too may also be a reason why they have not been clicking going forward. Overall though after 5 rounds both teams look pretty even over the park.

Just pointless stats again, unless we had played the same teams at the same grounds its irrelevant.

Re: looking at the 2 teams : Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:51 pm  

Tony Soprano wrote:

Just pointless stats again, unless we had played the same teams at the same grounds its irrelevant.

It's more a look at the teams workrates in different areas rather than a direct "head to head".

: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:52 pm  

You gotta think aswell St Helens played in that freak 4-0 game against the Crusaders. And your suprised they've made more tackles.....................?

: Thu Mar 19, 2009 1:56 pm  

SDB wrote:

You gotta think aswell St Helens played in that freak 4-0 game against the Crusaders. And your suprised they've made more tackles.....................?

But in total they have made nearly 300 more than us. Thats a full games worth of tackles

: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:09 pm  

Hollywood Harrigan wrote:

But in total they have made nearly 300 more than us. Thats a full games worth of tackles

But again if you work out how many points they've let in this season and compare that:

Saints Have conceeded 52
Leeds Have conceeded 44

Within that also Saints have had a match where they have conceeded 0. So you could say Yes Saints are making more tackles but its getting them nowhere because they are letting in more points???? I think I'll leave stats for now though....Interesting comparison still!

: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:26 pm  

Hollywood Harrigan wrote:

But in total they have made nearly 300 more than us. Thats a full games worth of tackles

Have I missed something. Nearly 50 tackles more. 10 per game more.

Re: looking at the 2 teams : Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:37 pm  

DISA wrote:

:?: Have I missed something. Nearly 50 tackles more. 10 per game more.

Yes you've missed that the above were averages per match.

Hollywood Harrigan wrote:

For anyone interested here are the averages per game for the the 2 teams.

Leeds - Saints
-----------------
Points: 24 - 22
Meters: 1329 - 1421
Carries: 197 - 212
Tackles: 298 - 346
Offloads: 14 - 15
Tackle busts: 33 - 29
Clean breaks: 7 - 5
Errors: 7 - 7
Penalties: 8 - 6

The one thing that sticks out to me is that Saints seem to be doing a lot more going forward and in defence than Leeds.

The thing that sticks out for me is that the Leeds and St Helens average errors are less than the range they have produced over the five matches. That would be illogical captain.


Leeds - Least to Most
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Points: 18 - 34
Meters: 1097 - 1498
Carries: 179 - 224
Tackles: 217 - 363
Offloads: 8 - 28
Tackle busts: 27 - 38
Clean breaks: 5 - 8
Errors: 10 - 16
Penalties: 5 - 11

The range would suggest it matters a great deal who you are facing and in what conditions. Perhaps Round 13 would be a good time to look at the averages after everyone has faced everyone else.

: Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:41 pm  

DISA wrote:

:?: Have I missed something. Nearly 50 tackles more. 10 per game more.

No, that figure is per game. So 250 then overall.

Re: looking at the 2 teams : Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:53 pm  

tvoc wrote:

The thing that sticks out for me is that the Leeds and St Helens average errors are less than the range they have produced over the five matches. That would be illogical captain.

Well I was going to post missed tackles too but when I saw Leeds had only missed 8 all year (even though in RL&LE we missed 30+ at the weekend) I thought I better not. Plus I really dont know what to believe off the SL website anymore after that thread the other day... just thought this would give a rough guide.