: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:45 pm  

fanstanningley wrote:

Any chance of adding Mick Worral to stiffen up the pack.

John Holmes would stiffen it up more effectively.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:47 pm  

Ouzo wrote:

John Holmes would stiffen it up more effectively.

Which one?

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:17 pm  

G1 wrote:

I know. Imagine any other Chief executive in the league leaving his club with such a lack of depth in the 2nd row when a player breaks a leg.

All we've got is JJB (International), Ali (Internationa), Ablett (2 time GF winner), Worrall (Youngster with a dozen or so 1st team games last year) before we start having to blood a youngster or playing Senior there.

Is that second row rather than pack? Given the personnel on deck Leeds need four props, three second row, two hookers and a loose forward each week. They can just about muster that.

A couple of injuries (which you should expect and plan for within the squad) and it's down to the bare bones with our only strike three quarter blunted by additional forward duties. It was noticeable when the Catalans shifted the ball for their winning try on Saturday that Senior was unable to move in cover defence.

Will Worrall get a run this season? He didn't last week where the Senior/Gibson was considered the better option when replacing Jones-Buchanan.

Re: Senior to move into the pack? : Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:24 pm  

Trimalchio wrote:

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/leeds-rhinos-news/Leeds-Rhinos-Senior-can-be.5350192.jp

But who will play left centre if this happens?

I'd prefer him to stay at centre ideally.

Seeing as though Senior is currently our only quality centre at this level I think the coach would have to be extremely stupid not to play him in his proper position.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:30 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Is that second row rather than pack?

Yes, I said 2md row.

Given the personnel on deck Leeds need four props, three second row, two hookers and a loose forward each week. They can just about muster that.

Leeds often run with 3 props.

A couple of injuries (which you should expect and plan for within the squad) and it's down to the bare bones with our only strike three quarter blunted by additional forward duties. It was noticeable when the Catalans shifted the ball for their winning try on Saturday that Senior was unable to move in cover defence.

He was playing centre for Catalan's final try. he was able to move in defence. Sadly, he moved inwards rather than moving outwards.

Will Worrall get a run this season? He didn't last week where the Senior/Gibson was considered the better option when replacing Jones-Buchanan.

I've no idea. he is coming back from shoulder surgery so I'd imagine they're bein gcautious. He might just get a run this week.[/quote]

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:03 pm  

G1 wrote:

Yes, I said 2md row.

Is that when Ablett isn't needed at loose forward (when Sinfield is a half back) or at centre (when Smith is a full back) and Kirke and Lauitiiti aren't needed as interchange props.

G1 wrote:

Leeds often run with 3 props.

And only one of them does any work but more seriously whether they run with three or four someone has to cart the ball forward besides Peacock which at times means Kirke or Lauitiiti doing it.

G1 wrote:

He was playing centre for Catalan's final try. he was able to move in defence. Sadly, he moved inwards rather than moving outwards.

At centre Senior moved in on the second row Gossard (who McGuire had covered) and was rooted to the spot as the ball sailed past him to Croker at centre who executed the two on one play to put Stacul over. A bad read , a bad call, no confidence in McGuire or just fatigued.

G1 wrote:

I've no idea. he is coming back from shoulder surgery so I'd imagine they're bein gcautious. He might just get a run this week.

If he doesn't it won't add much credence to him being even a squad player this season. He should have played last week with Jones-Buchanan out injured.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:07 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Is that when Ablett isn't needed at loose forward (when Sinfield is a half back) or at centre (when Smith is a full back) and Kirke and Lauitiiti aren't needed as interchange props.

Yes. That's right.

And only one of them does any work but more seriously whether they run with three or four someone has to cart the ball forward besides Peacock which at times means Kirke or Lauitiiti doing it.

Kikre? You having a laugh. Nobody other than Peacock is doing it. That is a coaching issue IMO if he can't get his players to work harder.

At centre Senior moved in on the second row Gossard (who McGuire had covered) and was rooted to the spot as the ball sailed past him to Croker at centre who executed the two on one play to put Stacul over. A bad read , a bad call, no confidence in McGuire or just fatigued.

That's right. He should have drifted out rather than come in. We're ad idem.

If he doesn't it won't add much credence to him being even a squad player this season. He should have played last week with Jones-Buchanan out injured.

Should he? Why?[/quote]

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:17 pm  

G1 wrote:

Should he? Why?

Because Leeds have lost a second row man and he has been playing in the reserves in that position and been 18th man on a couple of occasions recently.

The alternative now appears to be Gibson bench, then centre to cover Senior moving inside to second row.

If (out of contract at the end of the season) Worrall isn't in front of that option in his chosen position then there is not much point him being at Leeds anymore.

I don't particularly rate Worrall (too late, not big enough or durable enough, rubbish dad) but I'd much, much rather Senior is left to do what he does best.

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:28 pm  

tvoc wrote:

I don't particularly rate Worrall (too late, not big enough or durable enough, rubbish dad) but I'd much, much rather Senior is left to do what he does best.

Knock on

: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:32 pm  

leicester_rhino wrote:

Knock on

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