Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:27 pm  

A quote from the wigan board, by the way, and not my own thoughts on the matter ↑

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:23 pm  

It looks like sloppy book-keeping rather than systemic cheating from the bit I've read. However, as a flagship club, it is embarrassing for the sport and Wigan should do better.
One of the issues with a salary cap is that it leads to a competition over who can cheat it the best (amongst those who can technically afford to breach the cap) - and then of course you need to spend loads on accountants to forensically check what all the clubs are up to.
Very difficult to enforce and, to be fair, for clubs to administer the compliance.

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 2:33 pm  

Clearwing wrote:

A quote from the wigan board, by the way, and not my own thoughts on the matter ↑

Glad you clarified, I almost fell off my chair.

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:25 pm  

If they appeal successfully then is any subsequent League honour they may win sullied and devalued thus making the whole season a waste of time or is it only devalued if they start on -2 and someone else wins it? I'd ask on their board but I CBA and don't really care!

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:37 pm  

ryano wrote:

If they appeal successfully then is any subsequent League honour they may win sullied and devalued thus making the whole season a waste of time or is it only devalued if they start on -2 and someone else wins it? I'd ask on their board but I CBA and don't really care!

If their appeal is unsuccessful will they be deducted a further 2 points?

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:21 pm  

KaeruJim wrote:

It looks like sloppy book-keeping rather than systemic cheating from the bit I've read. However, as a flagship club, it is embarrassing for the sport and Wigan should do better.
One of the issues with a salary cap is that it leads to a competition over who can cheat it the best (amongst those who can technically afford to breach the cap) - and then of course you need to spend loads on accountants to forensically check what all the clubs are up to.
Very difficult to enforce and, to be fair, for clubs to administer the compliance.

I’d be tempted to go with the sloppy bookkeeping argument if, when the payments were discovered, Wigan hadn’t tried to say they weren’t relevant to the salary cap.

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:20 pm  

To be honest, if this had happened to our club, I think a lot of us would be expressing similar views to those over on the Wigan board. For mine the fine would have been sufficient. As has been said it looks like either an oversight or a piece of sloppy administration not a deliberate attempt to gain a competative advantage.

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:52 pm  

Wigan clearly run right up to the very limit of the cap. People keep claiming Lenagan is this great businessman but little evidence of it has been seen in an RL context. Given how close they run it if it were me I'd be sure I was fully conversant with every nuance of the cap and be absolutely sure my financial controller and head of payroll were all over it. Denying it and then appealing it for months so that it comes out on the cusp of the new season is entirely their fault. But it's no surprise they try to shift blame to people other than them.

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:01 pm  

So much for the 'live' cap. It's taken over 12 months for this to come out

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:07 pm  

The Eagle wrote:

So much for the 'live' cap. It's taken over 12 months for this to come out

Because these were non-payroll payments and not declared by Wigan it was only identified after the event during one of the RFL's post-season audits. A live cap is to a large degree dependent on the clubs telling the RFL salary cap administrator what they are paying and liaising with them to confirm whether a particular transaction will cause a breach. With the best will in the world the RFL has neither the staff nor the inclination to review every cashbook entry at clubs in real time. Although at Wigan perhaps they should do.

The further delay is because Wigan have already appealed this as far as the independent tribunal.