Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:13 am  

TOMCAT wrote:

To be honest, if this had happened to our club, I think a lot of us would be expressing similar views to those over on the Wigan board. For mine the fine would have been sufficient. As has been said it looks like either an oversight or a piece of sloppy administration not a deliberate attempt to gain a competative advantage.

You think a £2500 fine is sufficient?

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:07 am  

Fines should be 10 times the amount of the offence. Points deductions should then come in as well for 2nd offence onwards. 2 Pts deduction for second offence, 4 pts for third etc.

All fines should go The the RFL benevolent fund or suchlike

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Fri Feb 01, 2019 2:46 pm  

The two-point deduction is fair just for the sheer stupidity of it. The salary cap regulations are very clear. They're right here in black and white, page 280 and 282 of the RFL operational rules. Section 5.2 clearly states that agent fees have to be declared, and section 5.6.2 clearly states that personal travel that is included in a players contract have to be declared. They are, after all, a taxable benefit. Now if a fan on the internet can find this information within 20 seconds on Google, what did the Wigan Warriors financial team find so difficult and why? From what it seems, Wigan have tried to mislead the RFL in failing to declare payments that the regulations unabiguously state should be declared, and they have since fought back against their own stupidity, citing weak mitigation such as "it's only £15k", "we lost the games anyway", "we had an injury crisis" and "it was the finance team's first day". The scale of the breach isn't the issue - it's the way that Wigan accounted for costs that they clearly knew were relevant to the salary cap, and failed to disclose them.

The two-point deduction is fair just for the sheer stupidity of it. The salary cap regulations are very clear. They're right here in black and white, page 280 and 282 of the RFL operational rules. Section 5.2 clearly states that agent fees have to be declared, and section 5.6.2 clearly states that personal travel that is included in a players contract have to be declared. They are, after all, a taxable benefit. Now if a fan on the internet can find this information within 20 seconds on Google, what did the Wigan Warriors financial team find so difficult and why? From what it seems, Wigan have tried to mislead the RFL in failing to declare payments that the regulations unabiguously state should be declared, and they have since fought back against their own stupidity, citing weak mitigation such as "it's only £15k", "we lost the games anyway", "we had an injury crisis" and "it was the finance team's first day". The scale of the breach isn't the issue - it's the way that Wigan accounted for costs that they clearly knew were relevant to the salary cap, and failed to disclose them.

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:18 pm  

Try using those excuses with HMRC and see what happens. You can bet it will cost you more than 2pts

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:54 pm  

LeedsLurch wrote:

Try using those excuses with HMRC and see what happens. You can bet it will cost you more than 2pts

And there are a lot of complicated rules for your tax. There isn’t for the salary cap. It’s on the bleedin website.

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:34 pm  

Well, what a surprise... http://rugbyam.co.uk/elstone-says-wigan ... erplexing/

Well, what a surprise... http://rugbyam.co.uk/elstone-says-wigan ... erplexing/

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:49 pm  

Clearwing wrote: Well, what a surprise... http://rugbyam.co.uk/elstone-says-wigan ... erplexing/ But we run the RFL don't we?? Find it unbelievable that the CEO of SL is seen to be sticking up for a club for a blatant rules breach, the amount is irrelevant. It is at a limit for a reason and to break that by not disclosing something suggests they knew all along. I mean its not the first time is it. I pray that we have some relevant chants lined up..

Clearwing wrote: Well, what a surprise... http://rugbyam.co.uk/elstone-says-wigan ... erplexing/ But we run the RFL don't we?? Find it unbelievable that the CEO of SL is seen to be sticking up for a club for a blatant rules breach, the amount is irrelevant. It is at a limit for a reason and to break that by not disclosing something suggests they knew all along. I mean its not the first time is it. I pray that we have some relevant chants lined up..

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:00 pm  

Gotcha wrote:

You think a £2500 fine is sufficient?

Don`t you Gotcha?

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:59 pm  

batleyrhino wrote:

Fines should be 10 times the amount of the offence. Points deductions should then come in as well for 2nd offence onwards. 2 Pts deduction for second offence, 4 pts for third etc.

All fines should go The the RFL benevolent fund or suchlike

So it should really have been around £550k fine for Leeds then, Or does it not matter now

Re: Wigan Salary Cap Breach : Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:02 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Wigan clearly run right up to the very limit of the cap. People keep claiming Lenagan is this great businessman but little evidence of it has been seen in an RL context. Given how close they run it if it were me I'd be sure I was fully conversant with every nuance of the cap and be absolutely sure my financial controller and head of payroll were all over it. Denying it and then appealing it for months so that it comes out on the cusp of the new season is entirely their fault. But it's no surprise they try to shift blame to people other than them.

Are you talking about Leneghan here or Heathrington lol