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Really pleased for Agar. Has conducted himself very well over what will have been a difficult period both personally and obviously has been for the club. I'm glad this has now been put to bed and the right outcome reached.

A one year rolling contract is interesting as it hardly reeks of confidence in Agar but it astute and shows the club has learnt from the Furner debacle.

It's time now to out the embarrassing snipping behind us and as fans get behind Agar. If it does go badly the club are not tied in long term and if it goes well he will obviously want to stay.

Feels win win for me.
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A few people I have spoken to in the pro game speak highly of him as a tactician.

Agree with points made by Brisbane, if one Aussie coach fails you can't just run scared of getting another.
He would not be my choice but Wish him the best.

For me the key was to Get the best man to bring through the academy, hope he can do a good job of it. The second bit is recruitment and retention in next 12 months.
End of 2020, the following are off contract (if still here by then), Tom briscoe, Myler, Dwyer, ward, peteru , singleton, Cuthbertson, cam smith, Carl Ablett, Holroyd, Dupree and mustapha. Golding is off in 2021 plus others.

I'm guessing that Sinfield's commitment to the new model as being right for the future has now been binned off.

My level of expectation and hope is now so low I will be happy just to avoid a relegation scrap.
I believe Agar has recorded more losses than wins during each of his coaching tenures at wakey, hull and wire, so middle table will do me fine next year.

A one year rolling deal is what Brian Mc had for all those years,
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We know there are some specific holes in our squad. A few players are in last chance saloon next year. A couple will naturally come off contract and be allowed to go. A couple more Academy lads will put their hands up for first grade.

Would expect a little more movement before the new season starts.

We could also do with as much wiggle room on the cap as we can get because some talent from the NRL is going to be on the market.
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Re: NEW COACH | Richard Agar - Rolling Contract : Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:50 am  
I dont think anyone could say Agar hasnt got them playing for each other more consistently especially in defence.
However that's a "minimum" standard attitude & effort process by the Squad isnt it?
Again i reiterate its not personal nor do i want to see ANY Coach or player or backroom staff fail at Leeds.
JP used to talk about non negotiables what Agar got out of the squad where Furner failed were those exact same things.
This squad & Coaching set up isnt good enough to get us back fighting for a top 5 push imo & that should be a bare minimum.
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RHINO-MARK wrote:
I dont think anyone could say Agar hasnt got them playing for each other more consistently especially in defence.
However that's a "minimum" standard attitude & effort process by the Squad isnt it?
Again i reiterate its not personal nor do i want to see ANY Coach or player or backroom staff fail at Leeds.
JP used to talk about non negotiables what Agar got out of the squad where Furner failed were those exact same things.
This squad & Coaching set up isnt good enough to get us back fighting for a top 5 push imo & that should be a bare minimum.

Most people will agree that the squad isn't good enough, though it is better than it was at the start of the season.

I don't believe we can say whether the backroom is good enough or not yet. Agar has won 50% of his games. If he had done that all season we would be going into the last game with a shot at the top 5. Don't get me wrong, that is a much a damning indictment of how inconsistent all but saints have been but I'm pretty sure if we had been playing for a top 5 spot and not fighting for relegation many would have been broadly happy given where we were last season.
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We have lost quite a few close-ish games this year where there has only been a try or two in it.

I think we are a mile off Saints, but within touching distance off the rest (maybe except Wigan, who have recruited very strongly for next year).

Anyway we’ll find out in a few more months either way.
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Fallon wrote:
Most people will agree that the squad isn't good enough, though it is better than it was at the start of the season.

I don't believe we can say whether the backroom is good enough or not yet. Agar has won 50% of his games. If he had done that all season we would be going into the last game with a shot at the top 5. Don't get me wrong, that is a much a damning indictment of how inconsistent all but saints have been but I'm pretty sure if we had been playing for a top 5 spot and not fighting for relegation many would have been broadly happy given where we were last season.


This is getting daft now, how people keep quoting incorrect stats and not looking at it in the bigger picture. And this is not picked st you Fallon as others keep doing it.

We lose this weekend and Agar has a record of 43%, not 50%. He will have won seven of 16. That is a poor record for any top club at any time. This is despite if you go back to the thread on seasons expectations before the season started, every man and his dog stated that the first quarter of the season would be very hard, but the second half much easier, due to the fixture list. Suddenly this fact is now conveniently forgotten, and this despite the very posters ignoring it were actually saying it before the season started.

We have had an easier fixture list during Agar’s reign, and the very games he has lost were what we played more of and lost in the first part of season.

If he repeats the same win record next season, then we will win 12 of our games, that’s 12. Coincidentally, including the one round cup game, is exactly the same as we have done this season. The same record.

That all said, the information I got from last nights awards, is that the club fully expect there to be no relegation from Super League next season, and plan to push the younger players through as a result. IF that is the case and happens, and we can have a quality half to bring them along, then I could actually back that. As let’s be honest we do need that sweep through, and forget about results as a consequence.
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I could argue with you all day on stats Gotcha - you can use numbers to support any position you like can’t you? (Generically, not just you).

Teams change form throughout a season - our team has changed throughout the season in personnel too. Catalans we’re looking strong for a while, then the wheels fell off. Wigan when they played us looked pitiful - now they’re being touted as GF contenders.

Stats aren’t everything in RL where there are so many variables to account for.

I’d even point out that the home advantage this season if anything looks like we’ve had players affected by the pressure of the crowd.

Anyway - if P&R is suspended next year that would be a wonderful thing for us as you say. Let’s hope that is the case and they expand SL - it seems the no-brainier way forward to avoid these stupid loop fixtures. Whoever came up with that one needs some time in a small room with Kelvin Skerrett.
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I could argue with you all day on stats Gotcha - you can use numbers to support any position you like can’t you? (Generically, not just you).

Teams change form throughout a season - our team has changed throughout the season in personnel too. Catalans we’re looking strong for a while, then the wheels fell off. Wigan when they played us looked pitiful - now they’re being touted as GF contenders.

Stats aren’t everything in RL where there are so many variables to account for.

I’d even point out that the home advantage this season if anything looks like we’ve had players affected by the pressure of the crowd.

Anyway - if P&R is suspended next year that would be a wonderful thing for us as you say. Let’s hope that is the case and they expand SL - it seems the no-brainier way forward to avoid these stupid loop fixtures. Whoever came up with that one needs some time in a small room with Kelvin Skerrett.


You could try and argue but you would be wrong :wink: . In fact go back to that thread I mentioned, and look at you own posts. Nobody can argue against our second half fixtures were much easier than our first half.
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Regarding gotchas comment. If the club came out and said next season is a year to develop youngsters (assuming no relegation) with lots academy players getting worth while game time. I too could buy into that. It’s when they say we’re in transition but then fill the squad with mediocracy and journeymen
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